<p>…and Rice is almost 40% richer than Dartmouth. </p>
<p>UNDERRATED.</p>
<p>Agreed. Rice is underrated. The issue with Rice though is placement. Just not at Ivy level in terms of elite jobs or top 5 grad schools.</p>
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<p>Irrelevant, though, for those who don’t want those particular jobs or who don’t want those particular grad schools. And who anointed I-banking and mgt consulting “elite jobs”? They are just jobs, no better or worse than many other jobs. No reason a smart student should feel they have to want those jobs more than any others</p>
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<p>Pizzagirl the advantage is pretty strong. For example say you want to go into retail. 3 years at Bain, an MBA, and you’re on pace to upper management on the fast track. The Ivies do place better at the most coveted jobs, and those jobs in turn often lead to a much stronger career track.</p>
<p>Also when you have a peer network with people with these types of jobs it just breeds general awareness. Greater expectations breeds greater success.</p>
<p>slipper,
I don’t think you have a clue about the Texas economy. It’s huge, well diversified and there are plenty of home grown opportunities for Rice grads there. Not to mention the fact that many of the prestigious firms that so enthrall you have offices in DFW and/or Houston. Heck, even SMU places well into many of them. </p>
<p>As for the expectations comment, please check the arrogance at the door. People outside of the Northeast have expectations too and there are plenty of successful companies and industries far from NYC and people are creating businessess and wealth all over the globe. You don’t need an Ivy degree to accomplish any of that.</p>
<p>Hawkette,</p>
<p>The reality is most of the top jobs in the world are in a few urban centers. I’m not saying its everyone’s goal, but if you want to make 500K plus a year the said path I described is the best way to do that.</p>
<p>Sigh…there we go with the Duke hate again. If you have a problem with Duke because it rejected you then you have issues. Seriously stop hating a school you haven’t even attended.
This applied to EVERY school. How do you know if Dartmouth is better than Rice? How can you quantify that?
Saying one school is better than another without visiting both is just dumb.
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<p>Back to thread: Brown, Cornell, Penn, Columbia, Dartmouth = LI (Lower Ivy).
UChicago+Caltech+LI+Duke = UCLID</p>
<p>Not really. If you have a liberal arts/ humanities degree from an Ivy you still can get almost any job. My friend who works at a hedge fund was a history major for example.</p>
<p>slipper,
I like you and I like Dartmouth, but did you really mean this???</p>
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<p>I can understand how they might be tops to you, but your narrow prism is not my prism. </p>
<p>There is a lot more to the world than I-banking jobs and management consulting. I’ve known plenty of I-bankers and consultants and the vast majority of them are hugely overrated everywhere except in their own minds.</p>
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<p>You couldn’t be more wrong. You have a very sheltered-Northeastern view of the world. You would be amazed to go to, say, Minneapolis, or St. Louis, or Columbus, or Austin, or Charlotte, or even Tulsa, and know that there are people there making money hand-over-fist and live lifestyles you could only dream of. I think it’s pretty evident you haven’t traveled very much and you don’t know much about other parts of the country if you really think that the only way to make serious money is in a few urban centers and with degrees from a few select schools. </p>
<p>Let me spot you a clue. If you go work for Bain, or McKinsey, or a similar consulting group, you may wind up being placed in other cities during the duration of your project there. Let’s say you wind up in Omaha for 4 months or whatever. The people there had the means to HIRE you. THEY are the ones with the money that you’re trying to get a piece of.</p>
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<p>This is even more true than ever with the rise of the internet. Slipper, you haven’t a clue how many truly wealthy people may live out in what you consider the middle of nowhere. Really, I can name some multi-millionaires I know off the top of my head who run their businesses through computer lines and live wherever the heck they want to. Some live in or near Boulder, CO. One lives in Iowa. Etc. They look for and need smart people – wherever they come from, and while they respect Ivy League schools (as they should), they don’t bow and scrape before grads of those schools any more than any other top university or LAC. </p>
<p>Your views are really very dated.</p>
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Too bad that he never claimed otherwise in his previous post. Last time I checked, best way does not equate to only way.</p>
<p>[The</a> Worthless Ivy League? - Newsweek](<a href=“http://www.newsweek.com/1999/10/31/the-worthless-ivy-league.html]The”>http://www.newsweek.com/1999/10/31/the-worthless-ivy-league.html)</p>
<p>Clever title. However, the article itself only points out that being a dumb$#!+ and going to an Ivy wont help you out… But, if you are smart enough to get accepted to an Ivy but go elsewhere you should do the same as an Ivy grad</p>
<p>What a novel concept – the intelligence of the person determines future success? The Ivy league is certainly not worthless, just as Stanford, Caltech, MIT, UCBerkely, etc are not worthless. The elite schools of the world are elite for a reason, they draw the best candidates. Like the article says, “If you can’t (or won’t) take advantage of what Princeton offers, Princeton does no good.” This quote could easily be changed around to say "If you can’t (or won’t) take advantage of what insert college name here offers, insert college name here does no good. Going to a good or bad school, each has different offerings to its students.</p>
<p>Top schools are at the top, period. However, you can become successful if you the applicant are a sucessful person.</p>
<p>^^ From your study
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<p>Yes, 1976 people who chose to give their information irrefutably prove that the Ivy League is worthless.</p>
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<p>The answer is simple: Tier 2</p>
<p>Alternatively, you can call them, 2nd rate or 2nd class schools. </p>
<p>lol</p>
<p>"But the schools don’t make the students’ success. Students create their own success; this makes the schools look good. " </p>
<p>From the article. I think this holds true!</p>
<p>…well i posted this, forgot about it for a bit, came back…</p>
<p>…only 5 people responded to the actual question…</p>
<p>CollegeConfidential, you never cease to amaze me</p>
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<p>Wow…just wow…</p>