Adding safety schools, is it the 11th hour?

Schools with large Jewish populations according to Hillel:

http://www.hillel.org/college-guide/search#radius=10&select=top60

sort by Jewish Populations.

Notables LACs and small universities not on your list
Goucher
Sarah Lawrence
Hampshire College
UVM
American
Skidmore
Clark
Union
Franklin and Marshall
University of Rochester
Trinity College (Hartford, no more religious than Wesleyan, i.e. not religious).
New College of Florida
Ithaca College
Elon University

@IBviolamom
I remember when you were first posting about the ED school - there was another kid from your D’s school also applying ED and that had you concerned. Did he get in?

My niece graduated from St. Olaf. My side of the family is atheist and extremely liberal. My sister-in-law’s side of the family is somewhat religious but my sister-in-law rarely attends church. I think my niece was not troubled by people talking about their relationships to God despite her being much more in the atheist camp than the nonatheist camp. I take it as a sign of St. Olaf’s generally open and supportive nature that my niece, who is gay, felt comfortable attending the college.

@wisteria100 No, he decided to apply RD.

There are so many schools to choose from I don’t think anyone should go to a religious school if he doesn’t want to take a religion course or look at a chapel every day or have kids talking about their beliefs. I have Jewish friends who just wouldn’t be comfortable at a Catholic or christian school no matter how welcome they would be. Sure, that leaves Georgetown and ND and lots of other good schools off the list, but there are hundreds more that are good too. Pick one of those.

@twoinanddone Thanks, I agree. After reading suggestions here and doing some research, I’m thinking that if she does decide to add any schools, Beloit and Juniata might fit the bill. If we are really looking for true safeties, schools like Skidmore, with an acceptance rate under 40%, really don’t fit. And the Juniata deadline isn’t until February 15th. I’ve heard that Beloit has quite a lot in common with some other schools she likes. I’m pretty sure neither has a supplemental essay, hope I’m right.

Lawrence in Wisconsin would be great if it were not for the trimester system. :frowning:

@IBviolamom - both Juniata and Beloit are “likely” schools on my S17’s list, and we’ve considered all the LACS on your D’s list, and right now Mac is high on his list too. I think you are right that Beloit has no supplemental essay; Juniata asks for “describe an extracurricular or a job” in 150 words (or maybe 250 words - that question was on another of son’s apps - exact same wording for the question, but slightly different lengths for the response.) The question is under “Activities” instead of a separate writing supplement.
Even though Juniata has a Feb deadline, my son got that app done by November 1st, and got an acceptance letter right before Thanksgiving, and we’re still waiting with bated breath for the Early Action schools to respond this week.

If I were you, I wouldn’t wait for the official RD deadlines, but get your D to apply soon, in hopes that these CTCL schools have a sort of “rolling” approach to try to capture good students. But that’s just me - I am risk averse, and have encouraged my son to apply to several “likely” schools to ensure he will have a choice in the spring. Good luck to your D - I think she can’t go wrong with any of the LACs on her list!

Agree with @coyotemom, a number of these “safety” schools will let her know early and are likely to offer merit. Which takes a lot of the stress off the process. Good luck!

She should also sign up for the January SAT. 1930 translates to 1370 on the new test, getting closer to 1500 should open up all of her other choices. Does she think she could do better?

The trimester system isn’t a great reason to take a school off the list. Why does that matter so much? She could apply, and then visit if it seems like a good contender if she gets in. When my kid applied, I think the had to write a REALLY short (a few sentences) short answer type response to “Why Lawrence?”, and that was it.

I attended a college for a brief time with a trimester system, and I really didn’t like it. I think for people who can get stressed out easily, it can be a tough system. You have to hit the ground running, and there is little room for error. If you bomb a test, there isn’t much time to bring the grade back up. My D applied to an academically rigorous LAC that uses the trimester system. It was always right at the top of her list, and I was secretly glad she never got off the WL at that school. @IBviolamom if your daughter is shying away from colleges with trimesters, I think she should trust her instinct on that.

Her reason for not wanting a trimester is actually because of the winter break. If she is home for the month of December and all of her friends (with the exception of new college friends, who are likely to live far away if she attends Lawrence) are off for the month of January because all of them are applying to semester-based schools, what will she do all month when she’s home? We might take a trip for a week but the rest of the time she’d be sitting around the house or going places alone? Nope.

@CoyoteMom Thanks, I was hoping she might get those out earlier of course, and hear back earlier. Now I will see if she is still so stubborn about not adding schools!

@TooOld4School Retaking the SAT is not an option. She took it twice, the last time was a year ago, her strategies are rusty, and thete is no way she would be able to significantly raise her score. She would probably do worse rather than better. Standardized tests and my daughter don’t get along well!

I loved the trimester system for academics. It always felt like the right amount of time for a class. If there was truly a ton of material, it was 2 trimesters. Otherwise, the weird extraneous material was omitted and it was one term. But I was always “off” with friends when it came to schedules, so she’s right about that downside. It’s real! Great for seasonal work, though!

I’m sure that people from some parts of the country are scratching their heads about the concern about the quarter system. But for East Coast kids, this is a very real issue. The vast majority of schools in the East are on the semester system, so the vast majority of college kids get their breaks at the same time. Having a different schedule cuts you off from your friends and can also make it difficult to get some types of summer jobs.

@mamaedefamilia I wrote mainly about how St. Olaf’s religious affiliation has affected my D’s experience. However, I text with my D every other day about classes, activities, her friends etc. Nothing religious in nature ever came up. Nonetheless “free inquiry and meaningful conversations about religion and belief” is an important part of the school mission. Over Thanksgiving, I asked her specifically how she experiences (or doesn’t) that part of the school’s mission. My comments in post #33 come from that discussion. My D went to the school for their excellent undergrad math program, the performing arts, and international aspect. She was considering both St Olaf and Carleton (along with some NE LACs).

I mentioned St Olaf’s ECLA affiliation. In addition, St Olaf’s Lutheran student congregation has been a ReconcilingWorks congregation for 20+ years. This is a very liberal/social justice focused type of congregation (google if you are curious). About 30% of St Olaf’s student’s are Lutheran.

Some have suggested colleges in the book Colleges that Change Lives and I too encourage you to look, quickly, at those schools. Clark University is on that list. Also, Allegheny College is a great choice. Just move fast. Even if you aren’t certain about the applications, reaching out NOW to communicate interest. It’s OK to say that a rejection from an ED school is motivating a fresh search because lots of kids are in that situation.

@liska21 We know a girl (an atheist) who just graduated from St O and had a great experience there. What I liked about your description is that you described a dimension that is not often put into words. It helped me to understand the place that religion has in the overall scheme of things, not easy to pin down, in place that is simultaneously inclusive but also inflected by faith. We have relatives who are Episcopalian who sometimes worship with ECLA (they are in covenant with one another) so I’m familiar with their social justice/liberal sensibilities, which are very in line with my kid’s way of thinking more broadly. She is also attracted to the study abroad opportunities, performing arts, music, and strong placement for graduate school.

Hope I’m not derailing the OP’s thread too much with this response!

YES you (almost certainly) can change a RD application to ED. But have to move quickly because it requires the school counselor fill out a form and don’t want to get stuck due to the holiday break.

The knee jerk reaction to the ED rejection is normal. I say stick with the plan.

Winter break schedule matters freshman year. Less and less after that. And if it is more of a safety for her, the academic pressure of the trimester likely wouldn’t have much impact.