ADMISSION DECISIONS FALL 2016 (CLASS OF 2020)

Decision: Deferred

Merit Scholarship, if received:

School/major: Communications

Objective:
SAT I (breakdown): 2260 (790 CR, 700 MATH, 770 WRITING)
ACT (breakdown): 35 (36 SCI, 35 ENGLISH, 35 MATH, 34 READING)
SAT II (place score in parentheses): n/a
Unweighted GPA (out of 4.0): 3.75-3.8 (4.12 weighted)
Rank (percentile if rank is unavailable): n/a: I go to a highly competitive school of 5,000, so we don’t rank
AP (place score in parentheses): AP Human (5), AP Lit (4), Currently taking AP French, AP Gov, and AP Statistics
IB (place score in parentheses): took one year of IB Film
Senior Year Course Load:

First semester:
AP Stats, Econ, Sociology, IU Dual Enrollment Public Speaking, Astronomy, AP French, Choir
Second Semester:
AP Stats, AP Gov, IU Dual Enrollment College Writing, Law Education, AP French, Choir

Major Awards (USAMO, Intel etc.): National Merit Semifinalist (hopefully finalist!), Ranked state and nationally for National French Exam

Subjective:
Extracurriculars (place leadership in parentheses): House of Representatives, GKOM Freshman Mentor team, Pop Culture Club (President), TEDx Club (event Marketing/PR Co-Chair, founding member), City Arts Council: HS Division, Competition Show Choir (Leadership Council), National Thespian Society, National Honor Society
Job/Work Experience: Server at Catering Company
Volunteer/Community Service: Volunteered at old middle school as assistant director, stage manager, and makeup team for productions, served on makeup teams with local church productions and Christian Youth Theatre
Summer Activities: Summer Programs at Hanover College (Psychology of Media) and Lipscomb University (Intro to Communication; received 3 credit hours)

Teacher Recommendations: I was lucky enough to be allowed to read it and it was wonderful. Highlighted teamwork ability, academic ability, leadership ability
Counselor Rec: Hopefully good!
Additional Rec: One from past choir director and current voice teacher
Interview: n/a

Other:
State (if domestic applicant): Indiana
Country (if international applicant):
School Type: Very large, high-performing public school
Ethnicity: White
Gender: Female
Income Bracket: 100k/+
Hooks (URM, first generation college, etc.):

Reflection:
Strengths: Wrote essay on how my women’s show choir has taught me how hard I must work to be recognized, that I, as a small girl from the Indiana suburbs, must be exceptional to receive the same attention as some of my colleagues
Weaknesses: My “why tulane” wasn’t a dissertation on anything: on the shorter end, but highlighted their service learning program and showed real interest
Why you think you were accepted/deferred/rejected: Honestly, it’s comforting to see so many stellar students being deferred. I don’t know what they saw in my app that they didn’t want and it’s worrying me for NMFinalist status.
Where else you are applying or have already applied: Accepted to Belmont, Lipscomb, and U of Central Florida.
Waiting on American, Miami (FL), Chapman, and USC
General Comments/Advice/Hindsight: Help a girl out here. I never saw Tulane as a safety, but I saw it as a fit. Maybe I just need some outside eyes to look at my stats.

Also, attended the rep meeting at my school and signed up for more info from Tulane. If I had been accepted we may have visited because I loved the rep meeting and everything about the school seemed wonderful and a place I’d love to be. Obviously college rejections are never a personal attack, but I had really hoped to get in and see where this went.

I agree completely. It was really jarring for me to have my first college decision be “deferred” until I figured out what had happened. It’s not fair to the high-achieving students in the slightest.

Congratulations on Rice though! That’s a great school

There’s nothing unfair about Tulane deferring someone. It might be a surprise and a disappointment, but Tulane has no obligation to boost your confidence.

That’s true of course, but I would say more to the point they have no obligation to “reward their hard work”. The entire concept and statement is absurd, because it assumes they can look at some stats, and as long as they are at or above that stat range they are in. Tulane’s obligation is to use their best judgement as to what helps the university best meet its goals, and they just don’t get that very fundamental conceptual difference. However, 10 years of post-Katrina success after the school was nearly pronounced dead says Tulane has done just that.

@Chopinspiano I’ve had the same thoughts around these posts. They ooze entitlement and it’s quite sad.

@GreenWaveMama exactly. I had a cousin who got into Brown a few years ago and didn’t get into many top schools besides like 2 others. In fact, it probably had a lot to do with her essays not showing the same devotion as her Brown essay. She felt entitled and was upset that she didn’t get into as many high ranked schools as she thought she would have.

It makes ZERO sense to me. Acceptance into a school, especially with less than a 30-35% acceptance rate does not guarantee acceptance into others. There are different essay prompts. Admissions offices are looking for different things. Maybe you didn’t demonstrate as much interest as they would have liked. But somehow people can’t understand that at all.

If you follow the reasoning of those high stat students who are complaining, admissions people wouldn’t be needed at all, at least not to evaluate applications. A computer could do it by simply comparing numbers and using an algorithm. Of course, just to restate what we have all seen on here, TONS of highest stat students do get into Tulane and quite a few attend. I cannot answer the question of what Tulane sees in their applications that makes them think they are more sincere about attending Tulane, and/or more likely to attend, than those that got deferred. But just because I and those deferred don’t know what indicators they are looking for doesn’t mean they don’t exist and doesn’t mean that years of experience with these issues doesn’t count for anything.

Clearly there are markers of some sort or another beyond the Why Tulane essay that have proven to them to be reliable enough as predictors to base a decision upon. As stated, like nearly any predictor or group of predictors of this sort the correlation will not be 100%. It might be as low as 75%, and if I were them I would consider that a spectacular help. In observing comments over the years, it empirically seems to me to be in the 80-90% range, which is amazing. But to be even more repetitious, they are not turning anyone down at this point. They are simply saying “Show us that you are an erroneous point on our correlation graph, if you are, and if you really want to be a member of our Top Ten Happiest Student Bodies in American Colleges”.

Like I said in my first post, by no means did I ever consider Tulane a safety. I saw it as somewhere that I thought I could fit academically and value-wise. I exhibited interest, but it was a school I became interested in later in my junior year, so we couldn’t exactly afford to get down to New Orleans before we even knew if it would A) be a place that I was officially accepted to or B) even financially doable with the high tuition. Also, with NMS, I’ve been communicating heavily with schools that offer NMScholarships and my “Why Tulane?”, while I feel it showed what I did love about the school, was not as high of a priority as my NMF app and my essays for schools that gave guaranteed high merit aid for NMS. It was a school I loved, but not one that I could warrant totally focusing on until it became as financially viable an option as schools like UCF.

By no means do I want to come off as entitled because I was confused by my deferred admit. They don’t owe me a letter, and they don’t owe me a spot. I completely understand that they want to preserve a spot - especially in the EA stage - for a student that has their heart set on Tulane instead of giving it to someone who probably won’t attend. But Tulane was the first of my non-safety schools that I had heard back from and I hope you all can see what I did: I saw Tulane as a school that fit within my stats well, even a bit lower in some areas. I had no idea what “Tuft’s Syndrome” even was until I came on this thread less than 12 hours ago. That was never anything that went through my head. All I could think was that there was something they seriously did not like at all about my app that I couldn’t see myself. I immediately starting doubting my admission to the rest of my schools and was terrified by the idea that the NMF judges probably also would see this glaring issue that I didn’t.

Are there students that apply to Tulane as safety and feel entitled to their love? Of course. But I don’t want you to think that just because I posted on here that I felt that my deferred admit was a mistake on their part. I did love the idea of going to Tulane. As a comm/potentially maybe PR major, living there would be unbelievable for me, my growth, and my professional opportunities. I hopeI never came off as angry that I was rejected, but I assure you, for many of us, the initial reaction was fear and sadness.

@shunterr

OK, that is a reasonable, human reaction, even if I think it is not factually something to be concerned about. Every school is different, and has unique needs and situations. For reasons too long to get into right now, Tulane and a handful of other schools may be in this position more than most. That would be hard for a high school senior to know, or maybe even understand.

But don’t let it get you down that way. There are things Tulane is looking for that are not nearly as emphasized by other schools. In fact, most of these highest stats students that are being deferred by Tulane will in fact get into schools that, by the numbers, are harder to get into. Many already did ED, which of course just proved Tulane wasn’t “their” school anyway and Tulane made a reasonable choice in deferring them. And many will win great scholarships. To some degree, that’s exactly the point, from Tulane’s side of the equation.

Best of luck, come back and tell us how great it all tuned out in the end, because it will.

@shunterr I appreciate your post but the comments about entitlement and such were not directed towards you. They were directed towards a comment previous to your post, which also means you showed no sense of entitlement. :wink:

Your response was completely normal and not on the verge of discrediting Tulane.

@shunterr I completely agree with what @Chopinspiano and @fallenchemist said above. My comments were not directed at you, at all.

@shunterr nor were mine. There were 2 or 3 other posters that floored me with their sense of entitlement over being deferred.

@shunterr Of the 16,000 NMSFs, 15,000 make NMF. The ones who don’t likely fall into categories of 1) didn’t submit the required essay and letter, 2) had too many C’s on their record, 3) had some sort of disciplinary issue. So if you don’t fall into those categories you shouldn’t worry too much.

Also, remember that a deferral is neither a rejection nor a waitlist. They are just not making the call on your application yet. You are still in the running and they are waiting to hear if you are still interested. Making a visit is not the only way to express interest – email your admissions officer, contact a professor in an area you are interested (and mention that to the AdComm). As NMSF you would likely still qualify for the high merit scholarships if accepted RD.

To all of you who were deferred by Tulane in the Early Action round …

I know it’s tough to feel that you’ve done everything “right” and then not receive the news you expected, especially if Tulane is a first-choice college or high on your list. And, let’s face it, it’s even more painful when you see students whose qualifications seem less impressive than your own who are proclaiming, “Accepted.”

So as you continue to navigate through the college admissions quagmire, here are a couple things to keep in mind:

  1. Being deferred via EA at Tulane is very common, even for students who seem to be firing on all cylinders, as we have seen from many of the posts on this thread. And a deferral is not in any way a rejection. Each year I know students who are deferred in the EA round at Tulane who are then not only admitted in the RD round but also offered generous merit grants.

Early Action is very different than Early DECISION. When you apply to a college via ED, you are saying, “I truly want to attend this school and will definitely enroll if you offer me a place.” BUT … when you apply via Early ACTION, you are saying something that sounds more like, “I am interested in this college but may or may not enroll. Save a space for me anyway.”

So it is usually easier to get into a college via Early Decision than it is via Regular Decision because the college wants to accept applicants whom they know will matriculate for sure (barring extenuating circumstances or financial-aid inadequacy). But, on the other hand, at many colleges it is actually HARDER to get in during the Early ACTION round than it is via RD. Admission officials don’t want to save spaces in the fall for students who are free to end up elsewhere (and who may, in fact, be awaiting ED verdicts), unless these students have indicated that they are extremely motivated to enroll or if these students meet some “institutional need.”

For those of us on the outside, institutional needs can be almost impossible to anticipate. For instance, during the years that I worked at Smith College, there was a period when Smith was especially interested in attracting Jewish students (Jewish enrollment had been dwindling) and there was also a time when Smith was hot for future German majors (again, probably due to declining numbers). But these needs certainly weren’t published or public. Similarly, the students whom Tulane has admitted EA might meet some demographic or academic or extracurricular or financial priority that is particularly important to the university during the current admission cycle. They also may have demonstrated significant commitment to enrolling. There is a lot that the stats and achievements posted on the CC forum will not reveal! (As noted above by @fallenchemist, a computer could determine admission outcomes if stats and EC’s alone were the determining factors.)

In addition, Tulane is very unusual–perhaps even unique—because students can choose between a standard Early Action option and a SINGLE CHOICE Early Action option. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any other institution that offers BOTH Early Action and Single Choice Early Action. Thus, students who want to signal that Tulane is their number-one choice can use SCEA to send that message. Conversely, those who choose the standard EA option are implying, “I’m also applying Early somewhere else.”

Last fall I worried that my own son, who had high grades and test scores and all that jazz and who was very interested in Tulane, might send a mixed message by not choosing SCEA. However, merit aid was critical for our family, and so he had to apply to another university that required an Early Action bid for all applicants who wanted to be considered for a full-ride merit award. My son certainly preferred Tulane over this second university, but we couldn’t afford to put all of our eggs in the SCEA basket in case he needed to follow the money to another college. So, instead of applying SCEA, he bent over backwards to show his love to Tulane by having several exchanges with his regional rep, attending “local” events that weren’t all that local, and writing a very specific “Why Tulane?” essay. His commitment was genuine (in fact, ultimately he picked Tulane over an Ivy) and maybe this shined through because he did get in via Early Action (and now he’s at Tulane and delighted to be there). But I bet that there are some of you who wanted a yes from Tulane as much as he did but didn’t sufficiently stress it in your application. (It can help to have a college counselor for a mother though I’m sure my son would tell you that, at times, it can be pretty awful, too.) :wink:

I also bet that a few of you who were deferred wrote in your “Why Tulane?” essays that you consider Tulane unique among all your target colleges. At least that’s how my son felt when he was researching schools last year. And I do agree that there is a special quality at Tulane that sets it apart from many competitors. But this uniqueness that you praise means that Tulane admission folks don’t necessarily approach their EA decisions in quite the same way that other colleges do. They may save spaces in the EA round only for those students who stand out in some way and whom they suspect will not only choose Tulane but who also will add to the uncommon character of the school. If you think that this is you and that you were mistakenly deferred, I know it’s stressful, but hang in there. Your odds of a spring acceptance are excellent. See #2 below.

2. Be sure to show continued interest to your regional rep. Here’s a sample “Update Letter” from an old “Ask the Dean” column that was used by a student who had been deferred by her EA college (and she was eventually admitted). http://www.collegeconfidential.com/dean/how-do-i-send-resume-updates-to-colleges/

Granted, it can be tough to compile an “Update Letter” because not much time has passed since your initial application was submitted, and you’ve probably spent the lion’s share of that time laboring over other applications. :frowning: So you may not have anything dazzling to report. Yet you can see from the sample that it’s fine to include small changes and even some quasi-humorous ones.

If Tulane is your first choice and you will definitely enroll if accepted (at least if the money part works out), you should clearly say so. You can even go one step further by coming up with a gimmicky extra that combines a stated passion or talent of yours with something that’s specific to Tulane … a musical composition, poem, short play, collection of photographs, even an invention for the science-minded (the Tulane cats, for instance, could benefit from a dispenser that doles out treats judiciously). While the cutesy stuff doesn’t always work and often requires a bit of luck (some admission officials will appreciate it more than others), it can never hurt, and it might even provide some entertainment (and distraction) for you while you create it.

Bottom line: If you assumed you’d be accepted by Tulane this fall and weren’t, you have been deferred, not rejected. So just remember that, even if you weren’t a first-round draft choice, it doesn’t mean you won’t end up with a Super Bowl ring. Tom Brady wasn’t picked for the NFL until the sixth round and now he’s got four of ’em. :slight_smile:

[color=green]Decision: Accepted[/color=green]

Merit Scholarship, if received: Put scholarship here

School/major: Biochemistry

Objective:

[ul]
[]SAT I (breakdown):
[
]ACT (breakdown): 33 (32 E, 30 M, 34 R, 34 S)
[]SAT II (place score in parentheses):
[
]Unweighted GPA (out of 4.0): 3.71
[]Rank (percentile if rank is unavailable):
[
]AP (place score in parentheses):
[]IB (place score in parentheses): IB Math SL (6), IB Chemistry SL (5)
[
]Senior Year Course Load: IB Anthropology 1-2, IB English HL 7-8, IB Physics SL 1-2, TOK, Gov/Econ, IB Spanish HL 11-12, IB Biology HL 3-4
[li]Major Awards (USAMO, Intel etc.): National Merit Semifinalist[/li][/ul]

Subjective:

[ul]
[]Extracurriculars (place leadership in parentheses): NHS, swim team, rock climbing
[
]Job/Work Experience:
[]Volunteer/Community Service: Hospital volunteer, library volunteer, summer camps
[
]Summer Activities: Internship at Radiology/Oncology at U Colorado
[]Essays: Felt pretty good and had a lot of people proofread, didn’t put in as much effort for “Why Tulane?” though
[
]Teacher Recommendations:Three recs, felt like I had a good relationship with all
[]Counselor Rec: Pretty good relationship with counselor
[
]Additional Rec:
[li]Interview:[/li][/ul]

Other:

[ul]
[]State (if domestic applicant): Oregon
[
]Country (if international applicant):
[]School Type: Public
[
]Ethnicity: Chinese
[]Gender: Female
[
]Income Bracket:
[li]Hooks (URM, first generation college, etc.): [/li][/ul]

Reflection:

[ul]
[]Strengths: I think the fact that I am full IB really helped and my ACT score is pretty good.
[
]Weaknesses: My extracurriculars were mostly volunteer work and I didn’t show much leadership.
[]Why you think you were accepted/deferred/rejected: I put a lot of time into my essay and my test scores are all pretty high.
[
]Where else you are applying or have already applied: Northeastern, Purdue, Boston U, Northwestern, UCSD, UC Irvine,
[li]General Comments/Advice/Hindsight:[/li][/ul]

anyone know if admissions counselors have started their break? i emailed mine last week about my deferral and have yet to get a response. im not super anxious, just wondering. thanks!

The 23rd is the last day the University is open so they should be there unless they have taken vacation.

It wouldn’t be shocking if they took a day or two off right after the 15th finally was over. Also would not be shocking if they all had a ton of emails.