Advice for a naive college senior

<p>CC parents,</p>

<p>I am writing to you all today to get some input on what I am currently referring to as my quarter life crisis. There comes a time in every young person’s life when one comes to a fork in the road and has to make a decision on which path to take, and I am there. I’ve thoroughly overanalyzed and beaten to death the outcome of one of the potential paths and am still paralyzed in indecision. </p>

<p>I recently finished up an investment banking internship at a large firm and received a job offer. In this entry level role, recent college grads work about 80 hours each week for 1-2 years with the understanding that most will leave to go work for private equity firms, hedge funds, and corporate development and strategy roles at F500s. For the first year, I’m looking at an all-in package of about $140k with salary and bonus. A couple years out, many of the top performing former analysts and alumni I’ve spoken to end up in these “buyside” roles making anywhere from $2-500k working in the ballpark of 60 hours.</p>

<p>The problem is that I’ve spent every college summer doing internships in the industry, and I can’t help but feel that there isn’t much to look forward to after graduating. Whether it’s 40 hours a week or 80 hours a week, I’ve found each form of employment to be soul-sucking and myself to feel trapped no matter the role. I’m still somewhat shocked that most people will work the next 40ish years of their lives, regardless of the industry. At 21 years old, I can’t imagine finding any real fulfillment from this way of life as many before me seem to have found. I get some exposure to C-suite execs and their thought processes, make a lot of money with little risk, work with pedigreed and intelligent people, and so on while spending my days firmly planted behind a desk or on the clock of an employer. </p>

<p>The alternative is to turn it down, and at that point I am lost. I emptied my life savings this past spring semester to go study abroad and can without a doubt say that I have never been that happy in my life. People ask me, “Well what do you want to do then?” I pause, look sheepishly down at my feet (already embarrassed by the unspoken thought), and say in so many words what effectively amounts to traveling, seeing and doing cool things, maybe writing or working with a political cause I feel strongly about, and so on. I’d throw caution to the wind and see what’s out there. After all, I’ve been overwhelmingly successful in just about everything I’ve ever done and have yet to experience any real failure. I’m young, self-confident, managed my own way independent of my parents’ bank accounts through college, and have no debt. </p>

<p>I’m from a working class family with no college graduates, so naturally nobody really understands my thought process in making this decision. And who could blame them? It’s a ton of money for anyone, multiples of what any of them have made in a year, and unemployment for people my age is astronomical. </p>

<p>I look back to myself a year ago, two years ago, back in high school and beyond. My views, beliefs, and overall approach to life change with every new place I go, every book I read, and every influential person I meet. I don’t know what I’ll want out of life a year from now. I’ve nearly burned myself out approaching this from every possible angle I can conjure and suspect that I am being irrational - maybe even delusional - in my thought process when picturing an alternative path if I chose to turn down the offer. So I look to those of you with more life experience and hopefully more wisdom to help me see more clearly. Any and all advice is appreciated. </p>

<p>Thanks for reading.</p>

<p>The money is not as much as you think. Not sure if that would help you make your decision.</p>

<p>Most of my kid’s friends went to work at IB after college. Her roommate was working everyday with 3-5 hours of sleep on weeknights. She didn’t make 140K a year. She is now working at a retail start up in their real estate investment area. She is loving it. A friend of hers who worked at GS is traveling around Europe now. He is not sure if he will go back to finance. He hated every minute he was there. Another friend also got out of IB after two years. I think he is working, but not sure where. My kid still loves what she is doing. She worked 80+ hours the first year, now she gets to go home around 8 or 9pm and no weekends. She is looking for her first big pay out this year and a promotion. </p>

<p>You could work at IB for 2 years and then go back school or work in a different industry, like my kid’s roommate.</p>

<p>If you truly feel that kind of work is “soul sucking,” it sounds like it’s not for you. However, if an alternative isn’t apparent, my recommendation is for you to take the IB job, but with a plan: Work at it for two years, save every penny you can, and then quit. By then you may have a plan for satisfying work, and you can implement that plan. And if by then you don’t have a plan, you can quit, but with a heck of a lot of money in the bank. Then you can take a vacation and start something else.</p>

<p>ETA: People only rarely know with certainty what they want to do. Most of us start at something, like part of it and pursue that piece, and one thing leads to another. So you don’t have to be clear on what your alternative is just now.</p>

<p>I had a quarter-life crisis too. Probably more common than you think. From about the age of 12 I always wanted to be a lawyer. Went to college, got good grades, pretty good LSAT scores, and got accepted to several of the UC law schools. In the middle of my first year of law school, I had my crisis. What am I doing with my life!? So I applied to graduate schools with the idea of getting an advanced degree in Spanish literature, thinking I would give up my dream of becoming a lawyer and instead become a high school Spanish teacher. But when push came to shove, I stuck it out, finished law school, passed the bar exam, and have been practicing for 30 years. I can truly say I love my job and can’t imagine doing anything else.</p>

<p>I think VeryHappy’s advice is excellent. If you have no better options, take the IB job but keep your options open.</p>

<p>Your post also reminded me of one of the people profiled in the current bestseller, “The Unwinding.” Jeff Connaughton caught the politics bug in college but went into investment banking. He quit to work on political campaigns for practically no money. Eventually went to law school, became a lobbyist in DC, then worked in the Obama/Biden administration. Made a ton of money, lost a ton of money. Caught in the crossfire of idealism, ethics, and DC money and power. A very interesting story. You might find some inspiration in it. I highly recommend the book as an entertaining and insightful read in any event.</p>

<p>Almost everyone would rather be traveling around and doing cool things. Too bad we all have to get jobs. Sounds like you need your bank account replenished so you can have some cushion before you look for something else, seeing that you have no plan or really any idea what else to do for a living, you should take a job. You can take this one that pays a lot or you can take another that pays less, your choice. You might have more self insight in a couple of years. Meanwhile it will be wise to bank your money and not plan on this being a long term career. It does have a high burn out rate. Many people have multiple careers and plan to change into something else. Best not live the lifestyle and get dependent on the money but to sock it away for your next incarnation.</p>

<p>Heck, work for a few years, spending little and investing most of it. Have a financial advisor help you so it isn’t all emotional, and figure out how much you would have to save/invest to retire. When you reach that, stop working, travel, do whatever, and then buy some sort of business that excites you, or at least work at one. Maybe some sort of non-profit doing the sorts of things that really make a difference in the world. You won’t get paid much, but that won’t matter because you will have money invested for your future needs. Some sacrifice now will allow you to follow your gut, heart, and dreams later! Congratulations!</p>

<p>You have a good thing going…take the offer unless you have a better offer now. Do the job for 2-3 years then decide to stay that path or change. You get the experience, have some money in the bank, and wiser. Intern experience is different from real work experience. You may enjoy it. You may never get this offer again. Not a lot of college seniors get the opportunity you are getting.</p>

<p>Agree, take the job pay off any loans and save every penny you have. Work at the job for a couple years while you formulate a Plan B. In a few years you will still be young, very young.</p>

<p>@oldfort - Great points. And you’re right in general about comp across the street. My group covers a very hot sector right now with a strong senior team well positioned to capture the upside so bonuses in the group have been a bit above street. Thanks for the anecdotes: it’s always nice to hear from those who understand the industry about what alums have gone on to do.</p>

<p>@VeryHappy - Thanks. It really does seem sometimes like I’m the only one without certainty on what I’d like to do with my life. </p>

<p>@DGD - Amazingly I think I came to my decision as I read your post. As I read that you were about to drop out of law school to go pursue higher education in Spanish literature, I couldn’t help but think that it would be a dumb decision. Good to know I’m not the only one with cold feet at this age. It really makes you wonder how many truly original thoughts you have in your lifetime that those in generations past haven’t already had. I’ve also downloaded the book and have been ripping through it. Great read so far. </p>

<p>@BrownParent - Agreed on saving money. My dad raised me to be very “unmaterialistic” for lack of a better word and the only things I can picture myself spending money on are traveling and entrepreneurial endeavors. Thanks for the advice. </p>

<p>@teachandmom - Very comforting. Thanks for the advice. Also had a very motherly tone to it which I enjoyed. </p>

<p>@FLtowashu - Thanks for the input. And I think you’re right. </p>

<p>@momofthreeboys - Good point on still being young. Hard to feel that way when I feel so old at my own ripe age. It seems I’m in a rush to get to a point in life that takes time to achieve. </p>

<p>With your help, I’ve decided to go ahead and take the bird in hand. I’m signing my return offer and will take the job a year at a time and see where it takes me. I think it will definitely help going in with an open mind and knowing that it doesn’t have to be forever, especially with the goal of saving up cash.</p>

<p>That sounds like a great plan. Best of luck!</p>

<p>Good luck! And enjoy the book.</p>

<p>You sound extremely talented so I would just look at this stint as the “paying your dues” part of your life. Something most successful people do have to go through. And then, follow this advice from above:</p>

<p>“Heck, work for a few years, spending little and investing most of it. Have a financial advisor help you so it isn’t all emotional, and figure out how much you would have to save/invest to retire. When you reach that, stop working, travel, do whatever, and then buy some sort of business that excites you, or at least work at one.”</p>

<p>I do think it does not make sense to give up your entire youth for just money, but after two years, your perspective will probably be very clear on whether finance is for you or not, and you will have some experiences under your belt that can translate into what you want to do next. You will be leaving doors open in the event you need another job in the industry, etc.</p>

<p>My kid with a job in hand senior year was able to enjoy her last year at school. She did some traveling during her breaks, you may want to do the same. As I posted before, you don’t need to stay in IB, there are many companies that would be very happy to hire those analysts after 2 years.</p>

<p>Good for you. And, when you have money and the ability to do whatever your heart desires, pay it forward and help some talented kid make it to college so they can have the same shot at a great life! The financial world may feel like it is sucking your soul, but there are lots of things you can do later to remedy that!</p>

<p>^^ Totally agree. But first, save for yourself. Start a retirement find and stick the maximum amount possible in - even if it’s just for two years.</p>

<p>Agree that you should give it a year or two and see what happens. Finishing school can lead to some sadness which can lead to some cinicism. Look at it positively and think about the potential contacts you will make in your new opportunity, that in turn can lead to newer opportunities. This job is the best of both worlds-- financial stability and an opportunity to springboard to other things. Go for it, embrace it, enjoy it.</p>

<p>*** ETA as an example, S#1 is 5 years out of school. He first chose to follow his passion and work for start ups right out of school, turning down bi corporate jobs offered after his internships. Then the economic crash hit, so after a year and a half the first start up failed and he found himself working for a big corporation, which was really not his preference, and the job he took was a rather unexciting one. BUT, he met his now steady girlfriend when he moved to a city to work for that company and the boring experience he had there made him a perfect fit for his dream job that he now has. So think long term, not short term, and embrace the positive!</p>

<p>Make sure it exudes of opportunity first and foremost. Why attend all that intense college for a minuscule job that you could have gotten at a regular state college? Don’t lower your standards but pursue companies and employment that you know you’ll learn a great deal as well as something challenging you’ll have interest in.</p>

<p>20 or 80 hours. Makes no difference if you feel good at the end of the day or enjoy every minute. The pay isn’t so important. Don’t make it a pursuit or defining part of your life. You’ll end up miserable.</p>

<p>Working abroad can pay pretty decent as an expat and be rewarding. There are a lot of job opportunities if you know where to look. </p>

<p>;-)</p>

<p>Keep in mind there is Singapore, Hong Kong, Manila and many markets in Asia that would suck you up.</p>

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<p>The sad fact of the matter is that many people don’t have the luxury of “finding fulfillment” because they must put food on the table and a roof over their heads, and likely over the heads of family. You are fortunate to have the education you do and this amazing opportunity. </p>

<p>And yes, most people MUST work until they are in their sixties, and many of them are still unable to put away enough to provide a minimally comfortable retirement. </p>

<p>Seems to me the world is your oyster. Let us know how the next two years goes for you and congratulations on all your hard work, which is paying off far better than you may realize, because at minimum, it has given you something very precious: options.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>