advice on 98 yr old mom heading to Assisted Living

@fullmom Now that I am several years “ahead” of you, it is easier to look back and give advice :slight_smile: It is so hard when you are in the midst of it though.

Regarding telling her she can’t go back “home.” A lot depends on her level of cognitive function. After my mom had her stroke, she really became untethered in time and place and so it was much easier to say that she should stay “in this nice hotel” for a few more days. Because everything was always a “few more days” away.

Prior to her stroke, when it was just dad with a brain injury, he would talk about buying a new house and I would just play along. “Yes, maybe next month we can look at the listings”

Bottom line: you have to LIVE IN THEIR WORLD. I was able to tell more and more fiblets once I realized that that was the compassionate thing to do. When my mom asks how her (deceased) sister is doing, it is easier for me to say, “Oh I imagine she is good. I’ll have to give her a call.” I had been gently telling her, “Mom, don’t you remember Sister passed away? You gave a eulogy?” All that did was bring brand new shock and grief to her. So while I don’t like to “lie” I also don’t like to cause her pain.

Second bottom line: it’s not always going to be nice, or easy. And things will get worse. Sometimes you can’t make things better.

I say all that not to be a downer, but because accepting that reality helped me in the long run. Once I stopped trying to hold back the ocean waves of reality, it decreased my stress level.

One of my biggest regrets is telling my mom that something she was looking forward to was not going to happen. In retrospect, I wish I had just supported her as she talked about it. I took away a bit of her happiness, and that makes me so sad. It taught me a lesson that I used going forward, but I couldn’t take it back. I agree that living in your mom’s world is wise.

I third the suggestion of living in your mom’s world.

If she experiences normal levels of regret or nostalgia at the move then maybe share with her that your plan is to fix up and then sell the house. But if you see her perseverating about items she’s left at home, needs to get back in to claim or clean or whatnot, it’s likely a sign that she’s going to flip out at the truth.

I had one upsetting afternoon visiting my mom in AL when a bunch of folks were sitting in the common living room and the conversation turned to the most recent price increase for the facility. The clearly “with it” members of the group started outlining which charges had gone up, why, how long they could afford to stay before needing to find a cheaper place to live, etc. The numbers they cited were all accurate btw, so they were likely still paying their own bills.

My mom flipped out- made me walk her out of the room- to say “I’ve been here all this time and I’ve never gotten a bill, they’re going to find out, they’re going to kick me out”. I reassured her that I had been paying the bills every month, that she could afford to stay, that nobody was kicking her out. She was still very agitated, but when she calmed down, told me “Oh well, worse comes to worse, I can sell my house, right? And that should keep me for a while”.

Duh. House long gone. And yes, it was keeping her for a while!

She was happier not knowing how expensive the facility was btw…

My mom asked about going home only for 3 weeks. After that she really thought she as home. I agree that what you say depends on your mom’s level of cognition.

My mom asked ‘who is paying for this’? She always felt better when I said the insurance is. When I said I was paying for it or she had enough money she would want to leave. So, she was satisfied with ‘insurance’. She asked several times a day.

Reading these comments is like returning to PTSD. I so feel for anyone living that nightmare, especially in COVID times. My sister and I placed my 97 year old mom in January. She was recently back home with my sister post a rehab stay, at the home they had shared for decades,. The situation was impossible due to the need for 24 hour care and it could not be sustained economically or in other ways for my sister. Though in that state, Arizona, after spend down there is funding to pay for home care. But someone in that scenario is still doing the cooking, cleaning, laundry, sans compensation. With placement, there are plenty of tasks to keep a support person busy, while someone else does the physical care.

Despite increasing dementia, financial issues could make my mom livid, as she had no interest in spending her money for care, when she only wanted to be home regardless. She could not see how her neediness was starting to break my sister emotionally. So we had to gloss over the details, many times.

We found a care home that had sufficient wide porches for residents to sit outside., home cooked meals and staff dedicated to the residents over many years. My mom grew to love some of the caretakers, but had been so catered to by my sister that the food was never good enough, though we chose the place partially for the carefully cooked meals.

In these COVID times, be very careful to discuss how medical care will be provided, and under what circumstances the resident will leave for the ER or hospitalization. The facility was under lock down mid March. On move in, the recommendation was for my mom’s care to switch to the NP who came into the facility. My sister was not quite ready to give up the long term doctor. As Covid locked the place down. we requested a change to the NP who went to the facility. Before that change could occur, my mom became ill, with a worsening of her mild CHF. Then a fall made her bedridden. It took a few days to get a portable x ray in there, the physician office became unresponsive to calls, and it was 5 days before she got the needed medication. She passed away a few hours later, a surprise to everyone involved. But at age 97, things are fragile, and hard scenarios can evolve in many different directions.

Figure out how to communicate with COVID restrictions, and how willing the facility might be to help with facetime/zoom meetings via I pad and so on. Some in this age group have the ability to do these things on their own, but my mom could not. That we could call and staff would get her on the phone immediately was worth a great deal. In rehab, phone calls were regularly lost on transfer.

Speaking with a physician friend, she should have gone to the ER, gotten treated, tested for COVID and then returned to the facility when negative. Though with the false negative rate of tests, we know now that is not a guarantee of safety for the facility which is trying hard to stay isolated. So each of these points needs to be discussed with COVID restrictions-access to medical care, emergency treatment, and family access in the event of death being near. My aunt passed away in a memory care facility a month later, and fortunately my cousin was allowed in to visit a few times before she passed.

Timely thread for me. My father should have gone to a senior apartment five years ago per brother and I but our sister enabled him to stay in his small house too many years. He had refused to let the doctor test him for competency when rehab (his second fall at home) workers saw the signs. My sister enabled him by traveling 21/2 hours every couple of weeks of so for store items, lawn mowing et al. She should have just said fine- you think you can still live at home so do it with zero help (she had his car keys).

Fast forward- she finally after finally jumping through the incompetency et al hoops. got him into a close to his house assisted living one bedroom place this month. He had returned home after a mild heart attack (we physician, D and S-in-law who is a cardiologist had long ago with his agreement determined doing much more was not worth it). Social services was involved and although there was some virtual instaed of face to face evaluation the professionals had a say in the level of care. The place also has enhanced asssisted living and memory care. He is now plugged into the system at almost 94.

Regarding social isolation with the pandemic. My curmudgeonly father had been isloated for decades. From what my sister had said his times in rehab (I’m a thousand miles plus OOS) he was somewhat social. His deterioration may have been less with more social contact, by now he is slipping faster. His body needs to catch up with his brain. He’s under a 14 day quarantine then able to be with others in small area. The family that moved his stuff had to leave it by a side door to be put in place. A relief- no food worries, toiletries, laundry et al for family to need to do.

Thanks for hearing me out. Let sister be an enabler but knowing the nasty person our father was/can still be (plus no longer the thinking person he was) it doesn’t matter. He got moved, house can finally be fixed up and will get sold. POA!

Another instance. Friend’s 99 year old mother insisted on going home, her D lives not too far. Hired help (one fired by the mother) to help physically- her mind is basically fine (not sure if she still wins at online canasta now).

Many similarities, variations on a theme. Elderly parents who are living longer now than the past generations did. Some, like my father, couldn’t visit being tolerated more than a day or so. Families that shouldn’t be doing the required care- including keeping them safe from wandering. More options than just a nursing home- their impression.

Note the common themes. Frustration. Difficult to deal with parent. Thought processing (executive functioning per PhD pyschologist neighbor) deficits. Parents who may not realize their intent to be independent is such a burden on the kids. Et al. Depression era parents who worry about paying for things- my sister figured out his funds would last another ten years (not including the house)- he better not live that long in his state!

My fahter’s facility has upgrades- from his 1956 metal edged counter to granite, A/C, about the same space he has been using in his house. Could never give him things- frustrating for him to wait many years to use the bath towels, such shabby furniture (and clothes- oh, wait that’s my H too). Parents are worse than kids, sigh.

Hugs to you @fullmom. Making this kind of decision/transition is always tough, but there are more factors involved during this Covid crisis. I am glad you started this thread - Thank You.

It is possible my mother (turned 89 yesterday) will need AL or nursing home soon. Her heart is getting weaker, and as she’s always warned us… she does not want a lot of end-of-life medical interactions. A few weeks ago we did talk her into oxygen and lasix diuretic (but she only will take half does due to weariness… which I think would happen either way but can’t yet convince her). She has always been sharp and organized and independent, but in last weeks I visit every day. I am the only local relative. Sister is 1200 miles away, with health conditions that make travel more risky with Covid -mom insists she not risk it.

Mom downsized decades ago and has a 600 square foot apartment 3 mile from me. Although she lives in low income housing, she does have some assets (which get reviewed annually… withdrawals are considered “income”). The good thing is there is a pull-cord in bedroom and in bathroom to allow her to call on-site manager. Also she wears a device around her neck that can call me (then others… and eventually 911 if nobody answers0 .

She also has LTC insurance. She does not meet any of the 6 criteria (you need 2) to qualify for coverage - that is a blessing that we so far don’t need more help. We both know that she may decine. Per some initial calls, I think her LTC would provide up to $200/day for home care or facility, no waiting period.

I’ll be watching this thread. Last week mom mentioned the need for me to start researching nursing homes. However the doctor thinks she might only have weeks or months to live, so that means with Covid I might never see her again. She seems at peace with the nearing end, but I am not ready, especially if I can’t be with her. I will be looking into home care services soon.

Colorado Mom- hugs.

Colorado mom & all of you big hugs.
I’m depressed today. I’ve done much thinking and it’s not going to be possible to avoid Assisted living. I’ve no idea how hard it’ll be on her, but I’m thinking she’ll miss her home so badly. And just knowing once we do it, she’s there for good feels so sad.
Right now I am going to wait till Covid rules allow visitors. If by fall that hasn’t happened, I would have no choice but to put her in and not visit? Again so depressing.
I pray daily for her life to end so I don’t have to do this, and that’s depressing too as I realize it’s unlikely my prayer will get answered.
Maybe it’ll go much better than I hope. If there were more folks that reported that I’d be more hopeful.
My mom has been so good and such a trooper up till now, this totally stinks.

Is it possible that the required exercise while living in the long time family home with steps etc. may have slowed the physical deterioration compared to living in the assisted living place?

@fullmom, it will be very hard to do, but you have to do what works best. There is no easy out here, unfortunately, and you have to just do what you decide must be done. Hugs to you, as I know it won’t be easy.

Some AL’s are finding ways to incorporate visits even when locked down. My in laws’ place has a visit area, with glass between the resident & visitors. They now even allow visits outside, with masks & social distancing.

Kelsmom true enough. There is no easy out here. Weirdly hearing that helps. And then it’ll hit and I get sad. But sadness will pass. I dread it, and at the same time I wish she could help me with it. It’s weird because we can talk about everything. I have to keep it simple but truly she would try to understand. Most say don’t tell her the truth, just let her think she’s going in for a little stay. Ugggh

Fullmom, caregiver burnout is real. Even the healthiest caregiver starts to fray, and then you’ve got two tragedies- an older person whose life is coming to an end, perhaps not in the way they had planned or envisioned, and the younger person who is WAY too young to be experiencing the levels of stress, anxiety, lack of sleep, etc. that comes with taking care of their relative.

You will be much more of a comfort to your mom at the end if you can get a break from the daily grind in a month or two…

@ucbalumnus when my mother began to have balance issues, we had a PT consult at home and they said her TV room being up a full flight of stairs had kept her legs so much stronger than the average 90+ person. Sadly, the balance issues continued, stairs were forbidden as she was falling on level ground and she quickly lost strength.

Every time one of us is with mom for the day, we do exercises with her and walk with her to help her keep up her strength and balance. It is a constant effort on her part and all of our parts. Mom is 90.

Dad at 95 absolutely refused to exercise at all with any of us – he had bad COPD and exercising left him more breathless and he didn’t honestly see the point. He was tired and felt lousy the last few years of his life.

The CNA sometimes could cajole him to walk a bit and he had to walk from where their independent unit was to the elevator and dining room. Walking from his unit to the car to go out with each of us was a big struggle for him and towards the end, he just didn’t feel up to it and told us to bring back food instead. It really depends on the individual, how much they want to keep up their strength and flexibility and how hard they’re willing to work.

My dad LOVES to exercise. I think it is the only thing he really likes to do. He was very unsteady a couple years ago after pneumonia. The doctor ordered physical therapy and he loved it. When his visits ran out we continued to have the PT come twice a week and pay her privately. He improved so much she would take him to the gym in the Senior Living section of his facility (he is in Memory Care). After a while he would ask anyone and everyone to take him to the gym (“the place”). Memory Care staff from different shifts (even graveyard) would take him when they could. The gym is closed now because of Covid (and the PT isn’t allowed to visit anymore) and he is evidently heartbroken about it.

Exercise is key and having an aged parent who loves to exercise is a godsend. My mom was walking, very slowly around the block, no matter where the block might be, up till the fall that put her in rehab. I love the story about the upstairs TV keeping someone fit.

Fullmom, there are many positives about going into care. One, the day to day of care and home are off your plate, so you can concentrate on enjoying your relationship. The increased socialization with peers can be wonderful as can activities if your mom is so inclined. The staff and patients really do build loving relationships in many cases, and the teasing and intimacy that develop really is heart warming. Community is built in good facilities, and we all tend to do better with a strong community around us.

I heard something interesting from a friend with mother at local nursing home. She could take a covid test… and if negative get a 2 day pass to visit in person. (Now hubby says maybe it was a test for the mother to come out? Not sure how common this is, but it seemed encouraging.