Affordable Care Act Scene 2 - Insurance Premiums

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<p>I already had the option. An early renewal of my Anthem Blue Cross/Blue Shield individual policy on Dec 1st that would grandfather my plan through Dec 1, 2014. I explored this option with my insurance agent earlier this week. The early renewal included a price increase, effective immediately, that brought the cost of the plan up to price of a comparable exchange policy. </p>

<p>There are minor differences, but the value of my plan and the exchange plans are pretty similar. For now, my old plan has a bigger provider network.</p>

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<p>Apparently there is no regulation requiring insurance companies to allow customers to “keep their plan.” This was obviously NOT included in the ACA. </p>

<p>Absent additional legislation/interpretive regs, the President alone cannot <em>compel</em> private insurance companies to do anything, including stay in business at all. It will have to be voluntary on the part of the insurance companies to continue to offer old plans.</p>

<p>GP, I would give you odds and bet you everything I have. ;)</p>

<p>I think you need to expand your horizons a little bit. </p>

<p>I see a lot of comparisons of plans, but many comparisions are using rack rates. A majority of people are going to qualify for subsidies.</p>

<p>You edited your post GP. ;)</p>

<p>You’re bluffing! :)</p>

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<p>At least right now IYLYPYCKYP is not going to be operable in California. </p>

<p>From CNN:
"Since insurance is regulated at the state level, it remains up to the commissioners to permit the extensions and the companies to do so. The president noted that not all commissioners may agree to extensions. At least four states – California, Idaho, Virginia and Kentucky – are requiring all individual plans adhere to Obamacare rules. "</p>

<p>There is some bad Karma for GP. Please consider moving to Texas.</p>

<p>99 percent are going to want to keep their plans without subsidies? </p>

<p>That is a big number…</p>

<p>What are we betting? What can I win?</p>

<p>Bummer … cal is not going to let people keep their plans…</p>

<p>I was hoping to make a few bucks from GP. :)</p>

<p>Texaspg, I know quite a few people who have.</p>

<p>dstark, 99% of the unsubsidized. Give me a reason why you would not keep your existing plan unless it is for altruistic reasons.</p>

<p>This does nothing to stop the political bleeding. People will still lose their plans, either now or next year right before the midterm elections along with millions more in employer plans. The IYLYPYCKYP promise is still not kept.</p>

<p>I don’t understand how Cal can say that though if they have other grandfathered plans. Is it that all grandfathered plans meet the rules?</p>

<p>Where did you hear this?</p>

<p>Post 4445…</p>

<p>You know the “fix” is a complete joke when even MSNBC is mocking it. Let’s see what Congress comes up with for a legislative fix.</p>

<p>GP, there are other people that exist in Cal besides us. Some people have pretty crummy plans. A friend of mine is going to save 5,000 a year because he can switch to a new plan. No subsidies. He also has a wife. He isnt on websites like this. He is very happy. I wont switch. That is 4 more people. Now you have to come up with 594 people. Lets see your list of 594 people that you know that want to keep their plans. :)</p>

<p>This doesn’t seem like a fix to me. The insurance companies have to agree to reinstate those cancelled policies. If they were not consulted on this ‘fix’, then what happens if they just say no? They have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get policies approved through the individual states. There’s programming changes they must make in their own systems. This ‘fix’ will cost the insurance companies a ton of money. They may decide to play along and offer the old policies but I am almost 100% sure, the cost will be quite significant. After all, someone will have to pay for all the reprogramming to get these cancelled policies back.</p>

<p>There is no fix and there isnt going to be one. All the proposed fixes are nonsense.</p>

<p>Individual plans in Ca are pretty good. Ca has a ton of mandates so I don’t think you see the subpar plans that might be available in other states. No lifetime caps, maternity coverage, etc is all mandated. So the question is do you join a plan with a network that is uncertain at best or stay with a plan that has a broad network with all the doctors and hospitals you like. It’s hard to believe anyone is saving $5,000 without subsidies.</p>

<p>“There is no fix. All the proposed fixes are nonsense”</p>

<p>So our President is not to be taken seriously? Okay, I get it.</p>

<p>Exactly. There is no fix </p>

<p>Look. I think the way this whole thing has been handled is preposterous. But:</p>

<p>Insurance companies kicked people off for getting sick </p>

<p>Didn’t offer maternity coverage</p>

<p>Refused to pay for necessary treatments. </p>

<p>Said no three times before agreeing to anything as a matter of policy. </p>

<p>Refused to insure people who’d been sick once in their lives. </p>

<p>Capped plans at absurdly low rates ( this is going to be a big issue in the employer market)</p>

<p>Etc … </p>

<p>Let’s not get nostalgia for a con game either.</p>