<p>Of course it does…</p>
<p>Of course the savings have to do with the subsidies a lot of people are getting now - which they didn’t get pre ACA. Jeez.</p>
<p>My sister is saving about $10K a year and she doesn’t even get a subsidy. </p>
<p>“The $2,500 savings in premiums was the AVERAGE savings for a typical family.”</p>
<p>The actual wording: “I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.” Said in 2007.</p>
<p>Flossy, I know you love anecdotes so I thought I would post this.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.wral.com/nc-health-insurance-sign-ups-higher-than-predicted/13470096/”>http://www.wral.com/nc-health-insurance-sign-ups-higher-than-predicted/13470096/</a></p>
<p>“Brodsky’s policy beginning April 1 will cost $7.43 a month for what he considers better coverage than the previous plan costing him $266.84 a month. Online discussions with peers, who like Brodsky, are making a living as acoustic singer-songwriters led him to shop for himself, he said.”</p>
<p>So, the taxpayers are buying someone who previously had a better plan his new ACA policy that he doesn’t like very much but for $7.50 a month it will do. Hmmm. I do like anecdotes Dstark. We read them differently though, I guess. </p>
<p>You need to reread… ;). I cant read and interpret for you. Just reread the first sentence.</p>
<p>"“Brodsky’s policy beginning April 1 will cost $7.43 a month for what he considers better coverage than the previous plan costing him $266.84 a month.”</p>
<p>“The average family will save $2500 in premiums” </p>
<p>The Washington Post (hardly a conservative mouthpiece) gave that fallacyhttp://<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/president-obamas-claim-that-insurance-premiums-will-go-down/2012/08/09/424048f2”>www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/president-obamas-claim-that-insurance-premiums-will-go-down/2012/08/09/424048f2</a> Three Pinocchios. </p>
<p>Amazing how all these people are getting better plans for so much cheaper. Well…it’s actually just cheaper for them because they aren’t having to pay for it. I guess it’s not actually cheaper because someone is paying for it (collectively). Gotta make sure the insurance companies get their profits! But we can pretend as if the price of these health insurance policies are going down, getting cheaper and cheaper because of that magic subsidy that just comes out of nowhere.</p>
<p>In fact, I wonder if we can greatly reduce the cost of housing this way too. Just give everyone who thinks they need it a full subsidy for their mortgage payment. Maybe they could pay $7 monthly for their mortgage, and get a much better house too. We could reduce people’s mortgage payments to nothing. Wouldn’t that be great? I volunteer as a trial subject for this program, I can take the hardship, the government can try it out on me.</p>
<p>Can someone find a link where he said “average $2500?” Even among all the anti sites, I am only finding, "up to $2500."</p>
<p>There are housing subsidies and other breaks. I don’t think we can effectively go there without butting against TOS. </p>
<p>When 50 percent of the uninsured state the number 1 reason they dont have insurance is the cost , you kind of have to cut the cost to insure these people. ;)</p>
<p>If we eliminate the tax break break for Employer based coverage, we can cover everybody with the savings. Everybody except the illegals. </p>
<p>If we get rid of the mortgage deduction
and the tax savings from retirement accounts, we could probably cover everybody. We wouldnt even need to
raise tax rates.</p>
<p>I was having dinner with a friend. He probably makes $3 million a year. He was complaining about the 39 percent income tax rate. </p>
<p>I said yeah but most of your wealth is generated by capital gains. $20 million probably last year in gains. And you only have to pay if you sell.</p>
<p>He said to me, "I am never going to sell. I dont need the money. I am never selling. </p>
<p>Now that is a sweet deal. ;)</p>
<p>All you people who love to do math, here’s one for you. Tally up all the millions that were spent on the federal website, then add in all the millions that were spent on the state exchanges. I’m sure we’re over a billion now. Then ad in the advertising, the costs to the insurance companies both in trying to figure out the byzantine system and in other extra costs, the costs to doctor’s offices in staff time, the cost in litigation and all the rest. </p>
<p>Now divide by the number of people who now have insurance who didn’t have insurance before. I’ve read that’s around 1.1 million people. </p>
<p>What would it have cost to put those people on Medicaid? </p>
<p>TatinG , you need to get better sources. ;)</p>
<p>What, the Washington Post isn’t good enough for you?</p>
<p>Glad you said it. The article was dated 8/2012.
I’d call it initial thoughts based on initial research, over a year prior to the rollout.</p>
<p>But the uninsured are still complaining about costs, when asked why they aren’t signing up, which means anything short of an incentive on top of a subsidy means they’re still gonna hit the emergency room when they have a stomach virus. </p>
<p>Maybe good intentions and misrepresentations can only do so much, dstark?</p>
<p>I am talking about your 1.1 milliom number of newly insured. If you believe that, you are going to be extremely disappointed.</p>
<p>I already addressed the cost issue of getting Aca started several days ago. I already linked the cost of medicaid and private insuramce with ACA.</p>
<p>Doesnt matter, what the numbera are, does it? </p>
<p>I’d prefer a more reliable source than your napkin, dstark. </p>
<p>This probably says more about how ‘stable’ the ACA is looking to be, with 25% youngsters, than any of the numbers the administrations releasing about the signup mix:</p>
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<p>Come to think of it, they’re not really admitting to knowing anything about who’s signed up, but I think it’s safe to say they’re concerned. That and clueless, because by the time you hit 18 mom’s nagging is a channel you really don’t pickup anymore:</p>
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