<p>So I am wondering…do art students grow up with a more diverse or lenient background or are they more open to other ideas and situations because they love art?</p>
<p>Is a love for art NURTURE or NATURE?</p>
<p>switters I can’t go to youtube now. that’s intriguing. wagwagwag
fammom
as a greyhound pro, I can say it ain’t that bad, if you are not afraid and dress/act to fit the occasion.
any given day, anywhere people with little kids and babies travels on. and on and on.
food wise
there are always vending machines, middle of nowhere food/pee/■■■ stops. most major stations are open all hours and snack bar that serve bad fried food within the terminal, so you are not going to starve. but if you want to eat healthy or cheap, pack as much as you can.
oranges, apples, bag of mini carrots, nuts, hard candies, gummy bears, M&Ms. to eat out of the bag as a meal, multigrain cheerios are the best, just the right sweetness and saltiness with nice crunch.
canteen or bottle of water you can fill at any water fountain in the station. soft drinks and soda makes you bloat-y just sitting in the bus for hours and hours and if spilled, make mess in your bag, seat and the floor.
wear worn out raggy clothes with pockets that zip close for any valuables: tickets, money, cell phone.
I saw this tall man looking like Eliot Spitzer with full head of hair just wondered in when we stopped at middle of the night somewhere in WY and lifted ticket off some kid’s seat and walked out. I did not stop nor say anything for obvious reasons (he could have had a gun, drug addict or something worse)
When the kid came back on board and panicked, I was able to point out the weirdo who stole but hanged around outside to get on this bus when the driver was ready.
what happened afterward was even weird-er.
I was watching thru window from inside.
the kid was with his dad and they walked up to the weirdo, talk some, offer cigarette, pat shoulder or some, then they all came back in.
The weirdo goes all the way back to take a seat.
dad mouthes “thank you” to me and take their seats across from me where they have been sitting and I have been sort of spying because the kid was about same age as mine. (he was at camp)
I don’t know what kind of “deal” they made but weirdo traveled along asking for money for food or another cigarette for whoever would give, gotten off at Denver CO.
I read that people who knew him said that, Jimi Hendrix looked like a bat. The weird guy had this finely pressed large dress shirt on skinny long arms. he looked like a bat. all together creepy.
wait, this^ might scare you more.
wait wait! my point is, know the rules, or adapt to the circumstances. basically, everyone wants to get where they are going safely, quickly. better not fuss if you can help it.
there are many “tricks” on changing bus, how to secure two seats and stretch your legs, how to maximize carry on items to avoid checking bags=lost momentums
If you want, I could go on forever but something tells me better not.
I just wrote to Wheaty how outrageous 12K (tuition only) summer program is, which he calls market value. I must remember this living standard gap around CC land.
lemme just say,
America (working class, immigrants, fringe of society) runs on Greyhound.
it is the best place to learn what is wrong with our system and what is good about infrastructure in general. just like NYC subways, once get over grime and you are fine.
Go Greyhound!!</p>
<p>mom4
I am not sure what you mean but so far, here in Launch land, talented successful art kids are often offsprings of science, books and math people. they are suspicious at the start but always encouraging, accepting changes, financially responsible and enjoy learning along with their art kids. what, could be better than that?</p>
<p>bears i see your point - a bit of both: Children of creative parents(science, philosophy, arts et al) will inherit the genes to invent and since that is in at least one parent’s comfort zone, it is likely permitted or encouraged through child rearing. My grandfather was a scientist and my grandmother was a homemaker. Of their 4 kids, the women became artists and the men became scientists. I always wondered how the art got in there.</p>
<p>After school gets out, D and I planned on taking Greyhound from Minn to Kansas City for my nephews graduation. Two choices, one 10 hrs, stopping at all the Minn towns, and a 6 hr one that leaves at o’dark early. Thought I might do the 10 hr one until my back started bothering me, now am not so sure. D wanted to go to her friends house in Nebraska after school for a while before coming to Kansas City. Neb to KC bus times were horrible, would have her going 1 hr north to wait 4 hours overnight in station, then 4 hour trip south to KC. Then looked at map and realized friends house was only 3 hrs from KC. So might let her go, and maybe do deal with friends parents to drop her off, meeting halfway. But the 4 hrs overnight is a deal breaker for young blond girl sitting by herself.</p>
<p>Mom4Art: I think in our case it was probably both, going to art fairs, concerts, she hung around the non-for-profit environmental place I worked at (I was a science major).</p>
<p>I haven’t taken a Greyhound since I was in college. I guess I kind of forgot about it as a mode of transportation. I do remember that I wanted to bring disinfectant for the seatbacks and windows. My friends use Megabus quite a bit. They say it is clean, comfortable and cheap, but have odd schedules. It doesn’t run down here, so have no personal experience.</p>
<p>OK now I am fascinated by the art/science connection. At least a few of the parents here took the science path. My dad (one of the scientists) has amazing visual/spacial abilities and cites colleague after colleague who have a deep interest in visual art or music. My in-laws are engineer/artist. But I can’t draw a stick figure to save my life. Seems the visual art ability skipped my generation.</p>
<p>Hmm, my post from this morning seems to have evaporated. harrumph. I thought I would comment even though very talented D1 has so far been less than successfully launched. But I’m hopeful that she’ll see her way through this (though she got very exasperated as we were fighting with the ticket machine at the Ubahn station here in Berlin – I would not give up in figuring it out and she wanted to bail and take a taxi – but I wanted to make the point that public transportation is not as scary as she thinks it is and, well, you have to persevere… after about ten tries I mastered the ticket machine and it gave me the correct change and everything).</p>
<p>I think it’s a bit of both (nature vs. nurture). DH is a computer scientist, my degree is in biology – but my parents would have never allowed me to study art or consider it as a career choice. My great uncle was an artist, as were both of his sons. So there are some honest art genetics in the background. </p>
<p>As far as nurture goes, I spent seven years homeschooling my kids (yeah, I know, I’ve heard it before, that they wouldn’t have turned out as screwed up as they are if I hadn’t done that… my response is how do I know that they wouldn’t have been even more screwed up by a conventional school system?) Anyway, we always limited television. My kids did not grow up on Mr. Rogers, Sesame Street or the purple dinosaur fiend. I personally think those kinds of shows reinforce short attention spans. So my kids never watched them. Once a week they got ‘tape tickets’ for video tapes – and at the end of the week, if they turned in their ‘tape tickets’ they got a quarter for each one, so there was a built in incentive to not watch tv or videos.
We had a second table in our dining area that had every sort of arts and crafts type of material imaginable. It was our ‘school’ table… but mostly it stored paper, markers, paints, scissors, pencils, crayons etc. I remember D1 drawing a series of scenes for a story – a story board, if you will. She took the little kid stuffed chairs that were like animals and set them in front of the T V screen. Then she put her sheaf of papers in front of the TV (there was a child proofing barrier across the bottom of the TV that you could stick the papers behind and it would hold them up), called her sisters over and they plopped down in their little seats and she would put on a ‘show’ complete with sound effects and singing and music to go with her story. It was pretty amazing.
Those were the fun days…
She did a fair amount of sketching at the art museums we visited today, one was a surreal world museum with works of Paul Lee, and some Dali and some Max Ernst and then we went across the stree to the Picasso exhibition with some Matisse and Rousseau thrown in for good measure.<br>
I have a business dinner to go get ready for now. We’ll see how she does on her own for the rest of the week.</p>
<p>hmm, nature or nurture, are we back to the Judith Harris discussion?</p>
<p>Im an engineer, terrible hand/eye spatial artistic ability. no musical talent at all and I dont like doing things that Im not good at. My H is a humanities guy, very brainy, and lately has been doing photography. My S I expected to be a musician or a writer of some sort. I think he managed to get into art because of his attitude, more than an innate ability. He saw a program he was interested in in middle school, and went for it, and was terrible at first (I thought) but kept going. He is very very interested in art. He is also stupidly brave about trying new things, which is what I really admire about him. When he was accepted into his middle school program, (with a terrible portfolio)the teacher who took him in told him that he clearly had a story to tell and she was interested in hearing it, and seeing what form it took. I am very grateful to her, but I am betting that if he hadnt found that program, he wouldnt be doing art now, it would be something else. He says maybe even science…</p>
<p>there are many artists in H’s family, and some in mine, but the ones in mine had or have day jobs…</p>
<p>I am actually not anti greyhound or megabus…we are taking the girl scouts to NYC on wall of china bus in a month…the problem are those bus stops in the middle of the night. Son traveled to and from Richmond to see exgf on bus and had some really yucky experiences at both terminals. My husband was mugged at the pittsburgh bus terminal…the one in g’ville florida was famed for knifings etc. What is it about bus terminals? Anyway…I am sure he will be fine but it is just part of my separation anxiety and I always imagine the worst. </p>
<p>With regard to what kind of parents end up with artsy kids I think there may be some of this generation skipping going on and artistic tendencies are allowed to emerge when the circumstances and family are supportive of it. </p>
<p>My mother is very artistic and her mother’s family is a famed line of silversmiths in the UK. She studied art as a teen but married early, emigrated to the states without a degree and never worked outside the home. Art was a hobby and she had little outlet for her talents. She was very “crafty” when I was growing up and has gone back to painting and sketching today. She must have been frustrated by my brother and I in crappy florida public schools (redbug knows this!) where art was a despised and underfunded area. who knows if we would h ave been artsy in a place with more culture and openess to the arts. WHat we did have because our parents were immigrants and somewhat financially strapped in the early years was a focus on succeeding in the US so we definitely felt pressure to get a good education and then look for a good job. I never seriously thought about being an artist or poet or violinist as a profession although as a teen I daydreamed about being poet laureate or the concertmaster at the Met. </p>
<p>My kids don’t have that kind of stress/emphasis on seeking financial security that I felt as an undergrad. My father is a scientist and I think he had really high hopes for me and my brother follow in his footsteps… He wasn’t pleased that we didn’t become a scientist or doctor but he pushed us to get higher degrees in a quantitative field.</p>
<p>My H and I are a two income household. My parents found financial security after I left home and perhaps that is why my kids, unlike me, must feel that they can explore professions that may not guarantee a good income. My father, very successful scientist, is very supportive and paying huge chunk of the tuition at CMU for the artsy grandson. Similarly, my mother definitely has promoted my S’s art interest by teaching him sketching and painting during vacations…and happy to have a grandkid with leanings toward her interests … but I don’t remember her making that effort with us…perhaps she was too busy, perhaps she worried that art would never work out as a profession as a new immigrant…</p>
<p>As a perfect social experiment, my mother’s first child was raised in England by wealthy adoptive parents. My half-sister never met my mother or us until she was almost 30 and guess what she studied?..Art! her adoptive parents were “supportive” …she went to a private artsy high school although neither adoptive parent was an artist or had any artists in the family. Hmmmmm…my sister is a textile designer and dabbles in other media…she is good at what she does but a lot of her income comes from her parents’ estate. My sister and I look a lot alike, we seem to think alike but she is “artistic” and I am not AT ALL and marvel at what she can do with paints and colors and patterns…I would find the act of trying to design a fabric pattern something extremely stressful and would give me no pleasure…would it have been different if my parents had been landed gentry with oodles of leisure and no money worries? …at least in my sisters’ case it seems so…makes you think about nature and nurture.</p>
<p>Sorry about that, it was Klee, not Lee, silly fingers. I asked one of my German (based in Berlin) colleagues about where the Berlin Dali exhibit was, since we wasted a good amount of time this afternoon hunting for it. Maybe I’ll have time in the morning to try to get there. I don’t have my presentation until 2pm. I’ll have to see what’s up in the morning. I asked D1 if I could buy her the all day subway ticket for tomorrow so she could get around on her own and she turned me down :(. Just not there yet. sigh.</p>
<p>I have a brother and three sisters… so far as I can tell, none of them have the slightest artistic leaning or inclination. Neither do any of my nieces or nephews (so far as I can tell). Seems to have all ended up in D1 and manga girl.</p>
<p>Got to get some work done before tomorrow.</p>
<p>Tchuss…</p>
<p>Speaking of the artistic and scientific minds…</p>
<p><a href=“Natalie Portman, Oscar Winner, Was Also a Precocious Scientist - The New York Times”>Natalie Portman, Oscar Winner, Was Also a Precocious Scientist - The New York Times;
sq=natalie%20portman&st=cse</p>
<p>Apparently Natalie Portman was an Intel semi-finalist and even better, Hedy Lamarr was a rocket scientist! A rare but wonderful gift to combine excellence in both artistry and science. I imagine they must always feel a bit torn between the two.</p>
<p>Perhaps you are right about the tech/art/spacial thing…here is your chance to see S’s animation all squished to gether in a short portfolio…I found the link on his facebook page…it is some type of competition but I don’t think you win anything. Anyway, if you like, do the whole voting thing. I have never done anything like this via facebook …it looks like one of those games t hat I a constantly invited to like farmville so dont click it if you fear the app will take over your facebook</p>
<p>[Nico</a> Zevallos Animation Reel by Nico Zevallos](<a href=“http://www.talenthouse.com/creativeinvites/preview/aeddb227399005f78575c59a539c2644/163]Nico”>http://www.talenthouse.com/creativeinvites/preview/aeddb227399005f78575c59a539c2644/163)</p>
<p>I thought those parents with rotting animal remains, huge hunks of metal that can be reused to make sculptures, and so on and so forth might enjoy this article from the NYC Times today.
<a href=“In Brooklyn, Making It Up as They Go - The New York Times”>In Brooklyn, Making It Up as They Go - The New York Times;
<p>Natalie Portman and Hedy Lamarr are perfect !
They both beautiful, intelligent. but they both on performance side.
I feel Scientist and Artist (Sculpture, painting) is hard to be on one person … Then I remember :Edward Tufte and this link posted by bears in Cooper Graphic design:
[Ask</a> E.T.: Magritte’s Smile](<a href=“Edward Tufte forum: Magritte's Smile”>Edward Tufte forum: Magritte's Smile)</p>
<p>about science and art and math. For a while my S went thru a fractal kick.</p>
<p>We were sad about Mandelbrot’s passing:</p>
<p>[Benoit</a> Mandelbrot Chadburn’s Musings](<a href=“http://wchadburn.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2010/10/17/benoit-mandelbrot/]Benoit”>http://wchadburn.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2010/10/17/benoit-mandelbrot/)</p>
<p>In another thread Wheaty was talking about a fine arts prof that mentioned to his D that there was a need for working artists in museums. If that includes science and natural history museums, my D will be very happy! I’ve talked to her before about taking a course in scientific and medical illustration and at first wasn’t that interested, but now says she may take a course. If it means getting to work in the Field Museum in Chicago, she’d be all about that!!</p>
<p>oooohhhh freedom ohhhhhhhh freedom ooohhhhhh freedom over me!!!
thank you thank you
this is a good day for me. I am free from muzzle and
CSS profile non custodial waiver is approved.
not that I needed it anymore really but what a relief.
estranged single provider lurkers, don’t give up.
there are people who care and listen.
be humble, honest down to pennies (this is important, really, really)
it’s been a long, long time coming but
I know a change is gonna come, oh yes it will</p>
<p>Thank the Lord she’s free at last! welcome back to the fold…(bandD) prodigal poster! hallelujah! </p>
<p>So my launchee is on the long adirondack train from Montreal and should arrive in the wee hours tonight to DC after transferring in NYC. Some HS buddy has offered to pick him up from downtown, take him out to eat and deposit him here. He has a doctor’s appointment at 9:30 am…fun! I left a sweet note on his desk for when he gets up …doctor appointment and then his very first 1040EZ…awwww! I remember doing mine 30 odd years ago. Special moment when you find you still ow $25 in taxes.</p>
<p>We drive him back on saturday. I just pricelined a 4* hotel in Pittsburgh! The very best on the water for $100! The hotel says that I can book it for $265…little rain dance of happiness here! Even the dreaded holiday inn near CMU is $185 so I am very pleased. Now I am looking for fun things to do in Pittsburgh…odd little theatre production on the southside, maybe…shrek, the musical–downtown…no! perhaps just nice dinner in old polish restaurant and drive up above the city.</p>
<p>I was hoping to leave D in dorm with my son (roomate not back) so H and I can enjoy the luxury on our own on Saturday. He says no way leave D in all male dorm…has he seen the guys in that dorm?! I say no worries. Breakfast at the famous pancake house in the Jewish neighborhood…nice memories since I went into labor just as they set my favorite breakfast before me 19.5 years ago…pecan pancakes at Pamela’s…I wonder if they remember the mess I left behind…</p>
<p>“nice memories since I went into labor just as they set my favorite breakfast before me 19.5 years ago”
I love this, a completed circle, hope they let you back in
and yes,
WELCOME BACK BEARS!! OUR FAVORITE RASCAL.</p>
<p>Wow, I didn’t even realize B&D was missing!!</p>