AI at Berklee, and music in general

The Boston Globe (Aaron Pressman) had an article today about a class at Berklee on AI called “Bots and Beats: The Future of AI in Songwriting.” Berklee College of Music’s embrace of AI has some students upset According to the article, students are meeting with faculty about the issues inherent to using AI for song composition.

Berklee, in a statement to the Globe, said it was teaching what students needed to know. “As an artist-first institution at the forefront of contemporary music and performing arts education, Berklee has a responsibility to prepare our students to navigate technologies impacting the creative industries."

Editing: My kid tells me that AI mimics, rather than creates, so there are serious copyright issues. They are avoiding any contact with AI while doing creative work because then AI has access to their ideas. So even brainstorming, in their opinion, poses the risk of being “mined.” That is one person’s take.

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This link might work: https://wbznewsradio.iheart.com/content/some-berklee-college-of-music-students-want-school-to-stop-ai-course/ (Thanks to @momofboiler1)

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I can see both sides of this - the school wanting to give their students all the necessary tools to succeed in the modern era, and the students concerned about plagiarism and intellectual theft.

This actually recently came up for me in real life when my H’s work team asked AI to come up with a song for their BU’s president’s birthday. The team inputed fun facts about the person, the company, their hobbies, and personality and asked AI to style it like a heavy metal rock ballad. It was crazy good. As such, I can completely understand these student’s concerns.

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My D, a performer, has talked a little about AI. She thinks that she may be in an area safe from AI as a “live” performer. It’s a bit ironic since she has always had to swim against negative attitudes towards an art/music degree (particularly from STEM people in college).

As a younger person (33) who uses social media quite a bit…to promote herself and for general connection and entertainment, she wonders if there could be a backlash in the future against “unauthentic” voice, music, entertainment generated by AI. That maybe people will start being about to “sniff it out” or begin to distrust/dismiss some music or maybe grow tired of the AI trend.

However that would probably be after AI carved out a sizable niche…and became established in some areas. I do think writing music for film, gaming etc could be vulnerable as some groups want profit over great music. Live performing has certainly taken a hit during and after COVID. Still, as groups rightsize (yet again), some performance groups are stable and even growing tickets sales a bit. My D likes “new works” which involves collaboration. Maybe AI could assist with some basics…but it’s hard to think that it could get some of the cutting edge social issues and emotions right…that would entertain a more discerning audience. My D wonders if there could be some more growth at some point in live performance if AI becomes too prevalent and formulaic…and people desire a more obvious “human touch”.

And hasn’t this happened in voice before…with autotune. While autotune is here to stay, it’s not as prevalent now…at least stylistically. Who wants to listen to a robot type voice flattened of emotion…forever. So styles and trends change. I’m not sure AI will be able to be on the forefront of trends. But it will probably end up in a support position…large and small depending on the type of music.

I do think a school may need to “address” it…as opposed to ignore it. But I don’t know enough to have an opinion on doing it the right way.

Just some musings…

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IMO this is true of human musicians too…and I agree on the copyright issues!

I do think it’s a must that music students, like all humans, should learn about AI.

AI generated artists have created/released songs that have hit the Billboard charts. Record companies are signing these ‘artists’ to contracts.

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I had wondered if, for composers, AI could improve playback. It wasn’t that long ago that music education was focused on being able to read scores and “hear” the music that way. Midi recordings made it possible to play a score but the quality is terrible.

Many composers/producers are using digital audio work stations. How do those interact with AI? The days of paper manuscripts aren’t that far away in time either, but could be called “quaint” at this point.

I don’t know enough honestly to even ask the right questions. I had thought maybe AI could help with brainstorming, much like the improvising and creating that has long gone on with piano. But now I am learning that once an idea goes on AI, it stays there and is no longer under the creator’s control.

I would love to see the syllabus at Berklee. Maybe it is more cautionary.

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There are going to be battles with AI. Basically AI is constantly “learning”, which means they feed in pretty much every recording out there into it, or even scores, and it is in a sense ‘digested’. AI then takes all that and synthesizes it down depending on the script it is fed. For example (not a composer, but this is just illustrative) , you could write a script that says something “write me a piece of music in the style of late romantic composers like Debussy and Ravel, that gives the mood of being in a field on a warm summers day, with undertones of a coming storm, where it alternates between feeling good and dread” (or something like that).

AI can help composers as a tool, to play around with ideas then they can change what they wish. The real threat, and this is already happening, is AI generated music that for example, you could write a script about the theme above and say “in the style of taylor swift” and literally get a piece that sounds like her. A publisher could say “write me a book about” (various descriptive scripting, of a mystical world of demons where ……) “and use the style of Sarah J Maas” and it will write it. The argument is a human writes the scripts, and that is ‘authoring it’ too, but it isn’t the same thing, that is like telling a human author what you want and having them write it, but it isn’t you writing the book. You know music publishers and book publishers will push this as hard as they can, they can also use AI to edit it, so you could have a book where the human cost is tiny, and the publisher gets all the money.

I have seen music written by a composer who used AI to play around with ideas and it came out beautifully, because it was still hers, it was a true creative effort (it was commissioned by my son’s group).

Live performace? It already is mostly lip synching and faking playing instruments by the ‘band’, where most of the ‘concert’ in pop music is dancing around and whatnot and if they are singing live it is heavily using autotune (there is a you tube channel “Wings of Pegasus” where the person puts recordings of live and recorded music through a spectrum analyzer). So if a piece is AI generated, you hire a bunch of dancers and actors to ‘perform’ to what AI generated. Given AI doesn’t cost them a lot, you know this is what book publishers and the like will do. And so far the courts (not surprisingly) have ruled that AI training on people’s works is not copyright infringement, and the government is way unlikely to rewrite copyright law to make it where AI systems have to pay licensing fees for using the music. I would love to see a very simple law, anything like music or books have to have a notice indicating if AI wrote the work in part of full, to what extent, and whether AI generated the music recording or if human musicians did it.

They tried using AI to generate Beethoven’s 10th symphony , using sketches he left behind and trying to extrapolate from beethoven’s works, and it was lousy

I posted a NYTimes article on AI and writing today in the thread "College Confidential and AI College Confidential and AI - College Confidential Community - College Confidential Forums