Alabama Honors vs UofR vs UVa OOS

<p>I’m going to be applying to these schools, and a few others, next year. I know I would be content to go to any of these, but I want CC’s opinion to see if any one of these is better than the other. My EFC is 0, GPA 3.7 UW, ACT 35, SAT 2290 and prospective major for these is Chemical Engineering. Alabama and UVa cover all expenses, even though they’re both out of state, while U Rochester gives me around 50k in grants out the 61k COA, not including any merit scholarships I might receive there.</p>

<p>So now I’m comparing
-Dorms - Is there any significant difference between the 3?
-Music scene - I know Rochester has Eastman, but what about Alabama and UVa?
-Engineering facilities/program strength - Any clear winner?
-Job placement/Recruiting on-campus</p>

<p>Weather and location aren’t deal-breakers to me. Any help is welcome, thanks!</p>

<p>Doubt you will find anyone who has actually seen all three campuses, or even investigated all three in depth. Not much in common.</p>

<p>What exactly do you mean by music scene?</p>

<p>Net price of $0 (Alabama and Virginia) versus $44,000 (Rochester) for four years is probably quite significant for someone from an EFC = $0 family.</p>

<p>Yeah I can see that, haha. By music scene I mean like how often can I go out and see live rock bands/orchestras/anything in between and how easily could I find a music ensemble to be involved in. I’ve heard Rochester students have access to private lessons so that’s a big plus.</p>

<p>ucb, yeah I know. I’ll have to see if I get good merit aid from them to cover the 11k per year.</p>

<p>I think you will find a suitable music scene in most college towns. Certainly Tuscaloosa, Charlottesville, and Rochester have plenty to offer.</p>

<p>I have not been to UVa or Rochester, but I can say confidently that you will not find nicer dorms or facilities than those at Alabama. The honors dorms are super-suites, with 4 private bedrooms, 2 baths, living room and kitchen, each built in the past few years. Many upperclassmen eventually choose to move off campus, into one of the many new student condo communities, with private rooms, granite kitchens, swimming pools, gyms, etc. All of this housing is probably nicer than your first apartment will be after graduating. Alabama just opened a massive new science and engineering complex, with state of the art classrooms, labs, etc. You won’t find nicer facilities anywhere in the country.</p>

<p>That sounds amazing, thanks!</p>

<p>Aim for ivy’s and other schools that meet your need. You will get a full ride at University of Pittsburgh.</p>

<p>I’m applying to some more selective schools too, but those are much easier to gather information about. What qualifies for a full ride at Pitt?</p>

<p>I understand that the University of Alabama Honors dorms are suite-style dorms. Two years ago, the dorms for Honors students were brand new (under construction when my family visited in April) but hallway-style.</p>

<p>I am not familiar with the University of Rochester. The University of Virginia has a much better general reputation than the University of Alabama. U.Va. is consistently rated in the top 5 public universities in the nation, and Alabama never is. I can’t speak to their engineering programs, although I believe that Alabama’s is much, much newer than U.Va’s.</p>

<p>^ actually Alabama has one of the oldest engineering programs in the US. They were among the first 5 universities in the nation to offer engineering classes (1837).</p>

<p>Alabama’s honors dorms are all clustered in one suite-style complex (Ridgecrest). That new dorm (Presidential) is available to all students, not just honors.</p>

<p>U Rochester and Virginia are definitely ranked higher by most sources, but even with a lower ranking Alabama is still ABET accredited in all the fields I’m interested in.</p>

<p>^ I apologize for my mistake about the age of Alabama’s engineering program. </p>

<p>My brother and his entire calculus class (of about 10) in an Alabama high school attended Auburn University as engineering students in various fields of engineering 35 years ago. They didn’t even consider Alabama. Until now, I thought that Alabama didn’t have an engineering program 35 years ago. I stand corrected.</p>

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<li><p>Don’t make the decision yet. Apply to all and give yourself time to consider options.</p></li>
<li><p>At this stage, no school can tell you they will cover all expenses. Do NOT plan for any school to be zero. Each dorm is a different price level. Keep that is consideration. Do not forget to factor in travel costs, including shuttles from airport if necessary.</p></li>
<li><p>Bama – If you are NMF, it is likely the merit will remain unchanged and 1st year housing will be included. If you are NOT NMF, look into the University Fellows Program. This is competitive and includes additional scholarships. Bama’s application and admission acceptance can be completed over the summer. Get it done ASAP. Investigate the Emerging Scholars Program (freshmen research), University Scholars (BS/MS combined), MBA STEM and CBHP and University Fellows. You obviously cannot do all of these programs, but you should be aware of all opportunities for top scholars at Bama. A student with your stats can be a big fish here. All Honors Dorms are suite style this year. I encourage you to visit the school by contacting the Honors College Recruitment. By far, the most personalized tour visit DS had. Visit the Bama sub-forum here on CC for steps to apply. Bama is an easy application, but then the Honors College App, UFE/CBHP App and Scholarship App are all separate. Bama is also very generous with AP and CLEP credits. This may not matter to you, but if you are interested in multiple fields, this could permit a dual major easily. Fantastic Engineering equipment based on my discussion with 2 U of Rochester grads. Just completed the expansion of the Engineering college.</p></li>
<li><p>UVA – IMHO, one of the most beautiful schools in the country. Agree with Schokolade that the rep of UVA surpasses the other two schools. But, the opportunities here will not come to you as easily as at Bama. The application process is a little more complex, especially if you will apply to Jeffersonian Scholar.</p></li>
<li><p>U of Rochester – Unless you live in this type of climate and know you do not have Seasonal Affective Disorder, do not discount the weather factor. The tunnel system is in place for a reason! You stated you want Ch.E. If you are not 100% set on that, then I suggest you explore the Optics available at U of R. You don’t find many schools with this equipment that permit undergrads to use it. The more open curriculum here permits a dual major with ease. I realize you must likely put out money for here, but do factor in the 5th year free option. The campus is not as pretty as Bama or UVA. Our research (speaking with a handful of grads and 3 professors) showed it is not easy to complete work in Engineering and Music. The labs and music courses overlap. The plus side is a much smaller school and if you are interested in frats, a lower cost for Greek life.</p></li>
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<p>MUSIC SCENE – In general, my DS has discovered Bama is very difficult to see live music if under age. There is a new amphitheater, but it attracts very few performers compered to what my DS is used to in the Philly/S Jersey area. Bama does have many music groups that are by audition. The Million Dollar Band pulls from all majors. I don’t know about the scene at UVA.</p>

<p>CHEMICAL ENGINEERING – Not to muck up the waters, but Delaware is a highly ranked program. I do not know if they give aid to OOS.</p>

<p>PITT – Not the “new” facilities like Bama, but this is another place where top students are really appreciated and are given opportunities. Also like Bama, it is a rolling admission school. You would have an answer by October if you applied early.Pitt is not as transparent in the dollar awards offered for a full ride. Post on the Parent Forum. Several folks have OOS who got the full ride scholarships over the last few years. Applying earlier in the cycle appears to yield higher merit.</p>

<p>ENGINEERING RANKINGS – Be aware when looking at rankings, US News reports this on the Graduate level. </p>

<p>If you list is very top heavy with reach schools, then I’d urge you to apply to Bama or Pitt. This way the application and acceptance is done very early and you can focus on those other schools.</p>

<p>IMHO, I respect U of Rochester’s program, but there is not enough there to outweigh the cost issues for students who must be mindful of the budget.</p>

<p>Longhaul, thanks for you response, every sentence you wrote was filled with gold! haha</p>

<p>I will head over to the Alabama forum and also take a look into the BS/MS and MBA STEM programs at Alabama since one of my goals is to get a postgrad degree. That stinks about the live music, but I’m sure I could audition my way into something. </p>

<p>I won’t be applying for the Jeffersonian scholarship at UVa, but they give outstanding need-based aid either way.</p>

<p>Yeah, I’m aware of Rochester’s tremendous optics program, it would be a great backup if I ever decide to change my mind. What do you mean about labs and music interfering? Would it be difficult to even arrange to take music courses for my non-major cluster?</p>

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<p>Currently unknown but if you are in the top 5% and have 33+ ACT, I am sure you will get it.</p>

<p>In that case I would probably be unlikely for it since I’m not in the top 5%</p>

<p>Delaware’s top merit scholarship, the du Pont scholarship, is basically a full ride (tuition, fees, room, board, and some money for books).</p>

<p>Its not set in stone. You have a decent chance.</p>

<p>*Quote:
What qualifies for a full ride at Pitt?</p>

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Currently unknown but if you are in the top 5% and have 33+ ACT, I am sure you will get it.
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<p>I don’t think that’s true. (Plus, I think the scholarship is for “free tuition” …not a “full ride”.)</p>

<p>I hope that Entomom chimes in here. I don’t think her D with higher stats got the free tuition.</p>