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[1of42]

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@spideygirl

1of42, I trust professionals – people with doctorates in medicine, YEARS of practical experience, and a specialty in the field of addiction. People who are at the front lines of attempting to save people from destruction. I certainly would not take my information from a kid down the hall in my dorm, who might have gotten some drugs a few times on the streets of Trenton.</p>

<p>I have previously suggested that you go to some of the fine treatment centers near Princeton and find out the truth (rather than surfing the net to tease out “studies” which corroborate your prejudice). You seem to have quite an interest in this subject, so I am surprised that you have not yet done so.

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<p>spideygirl, the fact is, unless I’m misjudging this very much, no one has posted yet who is an addiction specialist. So until that happens, there’s you posting a bunch of unverifiable information that apparently comes to you from professionals, that is contradicted by available statistical evidence, and that you have yet to verify in any way other than to tell me to go to addiction treatment centers, which I don’t really have the time to do because without a car it takes me quite a long time to get anywhere off campus and I’m not willing to waste the better part of a day running around because you can’t find a source to back up your specious arguments.</p>

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@spideygirl

1of42, the prices you cite are not necessarily valid. It’s a big planet, and the drug market is huge. Prices vary in different places depending on all sorts of things. Pot can be more expensive, easily, that heroin or cocaine. For example, when cheap imported weed has to compete with high quality U.S. product, it can be economical for growers from certain nations to doctor it with substances that you think are more expensive (because you heard about some street price in Newark or something for cocaine or heroin of a particular quality).

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<p>spideygirl, I quoted you prices from the government agencies involved with policing and monitoring the drug trade, who have the biggest data sets on the issue of pricing. They substantiate my argument. I’m not going off of anecdotal prices - though I did mention them; I am working on the basis of the statistics I found and linked you to.</p>

<p>You have yet to provide any evidence for your assertion that cocaine or heroin is regularly cheaper than marijuana; you have yet to provide any evidence for the assertion that marijuana is regularly adulterated with heroin, or cocaine. I have provided you evidence of its economic non-viability, as well as a number of reports of actual adulterated marijuana (coming from Europe, where the phenomenon is currently most common), that include significant detail about what is being used to adulterate it.</p>

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@spideygirl

Also, in your very own universe 1of42, pot can be adulterated without it being seen. And by the way, 1of42, you have made the assumption that buyers CARE that the product has been adulterated. Many do not. Most adolescents who suffer from the disease of addiction are poly-addicts. That means they will take anything to get high. Some kids have done things like drink mouthwash, vanilla, snort gas fumes, or even Drano! You think that they would care if their pot was mixed with something? You see 1of42, it really is a big world out here.

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<p>Hey, when a drug user decides they want to go mix some crack in with their marijuana, that’s one thing. I’m not arguing about the user that gets adulterated marijuana (or adulterates it themselves) to get a different high. Because it’s irrelevant. To say that that has bearing on whether marijuana itself is addictive (which is where this discussion started) is like saying that decaf coffee is addictive because a lot of people have a cigarette with a cup of coffee.</p>

<p>Pot indeed can be adulterated without it being seen (I gave a couple of examples of possible substances - PCP, baby oil,liquids like that), but it’s easy to tell once it’s used, and with most substances it’s also very easy to tell beforehand. As I said in the last post, I’ll be happy to link you to some discussion of adulterated British marijuana, wherein the ease of figuring out whether it’s adulterated is discussed.</p>

<p>Yes, drugs are a tragedy. They destroy lives, and tear apart families. I have personally experienced that as well - don’t think your the only one here who’s ever been affected by drugs firsthand.</p>

<p>But drugs are tragic enough without you making up half-truths to make them seem scarier.</p>

<p>The bottom line is this: you made an assertion about adulterants. You have yet to provide any evidence for that assertion, and when I have provided robust statistical reports and other information from the government agencies whose job it is to follow these issues, you have ignored it and then made dismissive comments designed to deflect attention away. Why is that? Is it because you have absolutely no evidence for the position you’re taking? Or is it just fun to argue so ridiculously? Either way, I’m waiting. Waiting for some real evidence of what you’re saying. Something like a report discussing the widespread practice of adulterating marijuana with cocaine and heroin unknown to users. Or the relatively low price of cocaine and heroin compared to marijuana. Anything to support what you’ve been saying. Because, so far, you’ve provided nothing - as usual for you - and (again, as usual) it looks like you have no evidence to back up your assertions.</p>