<p>There are a couple of things wrong with your comparison, SWDYDH. First, as I noted in the previous message, you are comparing the number of people the Bureau of Justice says were raped in 2010 with the number of college women who, according to the CDC, had ever been raped in (on edit) their college career. A college senior who had been raped in her freshman year, or high school, or (even yuckier) earlier, would count the CDC statistics but not in the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Naturally the CDC number should be expected to be much bigger.</p>
<p>But also, the two survey methodologies are not the same. Notably, the CDC number includes attempted sexual assaults. The Bureau of Justice does not. Here is the relevant question from their questionnaire:</p>
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<p>Note that if your dorm-mate attempts to assault you, but you manage to get away, you count in the CDC number but not the BOJ number.</p>
<p>No that is not true these are women currently in college and raped or sexually assaulted since start of college. See above.</p>
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<p>Ok so which one is right as they are off by a factor of 30. The BoJ survey is a reputable annual survey that has been done for decades every year by qualified BoJ research scientists. The CDC survey is a one off done by a third party but the CDC believes it.</p>
<p>They’re not off by a factor of 30, because college women aren’t in college for just one year. And note that the majority of college students are in community college, and I think most of the community college students are part-timers. So their college career can span more than four years. Come to think of it, the average “four-year” college student, if they complete their education, takes more than four years too. </p>
<p>The question posted by cardinal is interesting in that it includes coercion which does not appear in any definition of rape that I could find. Why would they ask It that way. Does anyone know what the survey was used for? </p>
<p>That is a good point so if you say that say the average college student takes 6 years to complete then it is more like 19 percent divided by 6 each year and if you believe 90 percent are prevented and only 10 percent succeed then let me do my numbers again</p>
<p>44.5 million times 19 percent divided by 6 times 10 percent = 140 thousand which I can believe if the overall number is 340 thousand for all females. </p>
<p>Then the incidence of rape and sexual assault (excluding thwarted ones) is 140 thousand divided by (44.5 million divided by 6) = 1.9% and not 19%. That makes more sense to me. So its one in fifty and not one in 5. Thank you.</p>
<p>Still that’s too high and what can we as in colleges, citizens, cops, judges, students do about it? </p>
<p>It is not just rape it is sexual assault too and coercing someone to have sex is not ok. These numbers are total for rape AND sexual assault and actual rape numbers are by definition lower but sexual assault is not OK either.</p>
<p>If someone is in law enforcement, please enlighten me as to what CPD can actually investigate, without Jackie? Can they get a warrant to pull credit card slips from a restaurant solely based on some anonymous story in a paper? Can they enter the Frat and look for evidence solely based on a story?</p>
<p>I like the question about how to stop rape.</p>
<p>One suggestion: affirmative consent instead of “candy is dandy but liquor is quicker.” Hook-ups are fine but talk about what you are doing. Go buy some condoms together.</p>
<p>Realistically, I don’t think most young people will do this. But let’s put it out there instead of seeing just getting drunk and busy as a norm.</p>
<p>I am not sure affirmative consent works as it may start out that way but change in the middle like in the Columbia University mattress case and also how do you know there was affirmative consent it will be a he said she said. Short of documenting the entire sexual act with picture and sound it is impossible to prove affirmative consent or lack thereof but such documentation will require consent of both parties else it will be illegal in many states and also you can only do that if you wire and bug the whole campus and private rooms which will raise major privacy concerns.</p>
<p>While you are parsing data, don’t forget that rapes also occur during summer time, which can be far away from any college, at even at home. But those assaults count in most statistics when looking at ‘college-aged’ women.</p>
<p>Yes that will make college campus rape and sexual assault incidence even lower than one to fifty to may be one in sixty or seventy but even that’s too high and even if majority of that is not rape but some other form of unwanted sexual contact so how do we lower that as the first priority? Will it make sense to assume guilty until proven innocent for the accused as then we are doing the right thing by believing the rape survivor?</p>
<p>There was a very credible and well-publicized report of a rape in this same fraternity that occurred 20 years ago. The rapist admitted it, and the victim is a long-time activist against sexual assault. If the whole Jackie story turns out to be untrue, I wonder if Jackie choose this fraternity for that reason?</p>
<p>In 11 years, 446 rapes, attempted rapes or other sex acts were reported to medical providers. Of those 18 were attempted rape, 123 were other sex acts and 285 were rape.</p>
<p>Interestingly for our discussion, 81% occurred in dormitories, 4% in fraternities and the rest in houses or apartments.</p>
<p>So roughly 40 per year in Massachusetts. I don’t know how many college students there are in Massachusetts. As I recall, not all the victims were women. </p>
<h1>1149 - It doesn’t solve the problem and obviously either party can change his or her mind during the act.</h1>
<p>I am looking for ways to change the culture, to be thoughtful about sex. I am thinking a series of PSA announcements for affirmative consent, like we had for condoms. Now everyone acts like condom use should be universal even if it isn’t. Condom use is seen as the norm. Women and men both agreeing to sex should be the norm. imho</p>
<p>From affirmative consent to taping the act is a pretty huge leap. Some seem to do this anyway. If both agree - fine by me. If you are concerned about being falsely accused, ask your partner if it’s okay to record. Why not? At least you’ve discussed what you are doing.</p>
<p>It’s a bit difficult to correlate the numbers since the Massachusetts report is for ‘rapes on college campuses’ rather than ‘rapes of college students’. </p>
<p>Curiously, the study didn’t break down the demographics of the alleged rapists. Were they also college students or people from the town, like the Johns Hopkins report of a few days ago, in which the attack occurred in a fraternity but the accused were not college students or even members of the fraternity. </p>
<p>I agree and I think so do most men as incidence of rape for all women of all ages is 2.1 per 1000 according to the Bureau of Justice (<a href=“http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf”>http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf</a>) but that doesn’t mean 2 out of every thousand men don’t understand that both women and men agreeing to sex should be the norm as a subset of men commit multiple rapes. So let’s say that subset commits on average 3 rapes each so we have 2 in 3000 men not accepting that men and women should both agree to sex or 99.93% men agreeing with you and me but 0.067% of men still not agreeing and do you think more PSA will change that? I do not and we need to send these guys to jail but how can we do that within the current legal system of innocent until proven guilty and no sound and video proof so something has to change may be guilty until proven innocent and then these people will think twice?</p>
<p>Another suggestion for stopping rape on campus: enforce alcohol prohibitions. Expel a few drinkers to make a point and drinking will go way way waaaay down, at least at schools like UVA. Most super achievers aren’t going to be taking a chance on messing up their futures.</p>