<p>This belief is shared by the Bureau of Justice, which has awarded a contract to Westat to develop better way to measure the incidence of rape and sexual assault. </p>
<p>And, seriously, would you talk about your rape with your kids in earshot? Or your boyfriend, if you hadn’t told him about it?</p>
<p>In post 1256 I said that using FBI stats you get 200 rapes per year at UVA. I was off by a factor of ten (I didn’t think that sounded quite right). It comes out to be around 20 per year. </p>
<p>In particular, the report found the following four flaws:</p>
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<p>They concluded that rape and sexual assault should not be covered in the NCVS, because NCVS is not suited for measuring them. That’s why the Bureau of Justice is now developing a new, separate survey to get better numbers. In the meantime, we should certainly not take the current BOJ numbers as gospel, since even the BOJ acknowledges their flaws.</p>
<p>1) There are many robberies where there is no prosecution. Its quite common as the police needs proof to prosecute.
2) There are also many fictitious robberies to gain insurance money. So yes people llie. There is huge problems with insurance fraud.
3) I believe if you truly a rape advocate you would advise against going public in a magazine or the media because trying a case in public corrupts the judicial system.
4) I can’t believe that falling into a glass coffee table would not require either emergency medical care to remove shards of glass, stitches and if not it would at minimum leave blood stains and scarring. So since you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt for a conviction as a juror this inconsistency would leave me with serious doubt.
5) You cannot force anyone to report a crime and to do so would make people even more resistant in speaking.
6) Posters are complaining we are not solving any problems with rape. As a mother we can teach our children how to be safe. Drink in moderation, keep with a buddy, have a person within the group stay sober and watch over their grouup, don’t accept drinks from strangers, don’t drink from a glass that has been unattended, don’t go to a male dorm room with someone you don’t know well or at late hours, don’t be overly flirtatious if not interested, beware of your dress. Of course rape can happen anywhere yet there are steps that can be taken just as you should take steps to prevent a mugging don’t park in areas at night that are unlit, don’t walk down the alley, and so on and so on. </p>
<p>So in order to get your number, it is claimed you can discern how many are under-reported. Thanks, I get it now, If If you do not get the number you want, you use the mathematical fudge factor that claims to know what you do not know. </p>
<p>If an alleged rape is not reported, face it, you have not a clue if or what occurred. The worse thing about bad public policy is public policy made up out of whole cloth by claiming to know what you clearly cannot know. Of course there are a number of not reported alleged assaults, but you cannot use them as proof that if they were reported they would have amounted to actual assault. That is just silliness. I could just as well say the under-reports would amount to not much. There is no proof of anything. It is nice number, but that is it. </p>
<p>I also love this whatever study you want to cite is magically unbiased. </p>
<p>But, there is a bigger issue - may I remind that the FBI is a political office and the BoJ is not, well as apolitical as could be expected. I think I will go with the numbers from the non-political, non-agenda-driven group, the BoJ.</p>
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<p>Your post is irrelevant. The number is still now way near 1 in 5. Even you cannot get there with fudge factors. It is a sham. But, if it makes you feel better, have at it. </p>
<p>Statistics can be manipulated for any argument. What is the data source for alleged rapes? Is it a questionaire, it is an interview, is it rapes reported to police? If its an anonymous questionnaire, what safeguards were made to prevent an individual from submitting more than one? What was the definition of rape? How was the sample chosen? What size was the sample? What safeguards were used to prevent lying? Was it a geographically diverse sample set? How were the questions asked? Open ended or multiple choice answers? What percentage of the study group participated?</p>
<p>My suggestions to try and stop campus rape: make affirmative consent a norm, enforce drinking prohibitions, encourage bystander intervention. What is the opposition to these suggestions? Is it that the only rapists on campus are serial rapists who won’t be impacted? Or is it that rape on campus happens so infrequently, changing the status quo doesn’t matter? I think every suggestion makes the campus a better place even if rape culture doesn’t exist. Being sure your partner consents and looking out for women in trouble seem pretty conservative, traditional values to me, the characteristics of an old-fashioned gentleman.</p>
<p>Many here are upset that UVA’s SMB does not operate the same way as the Honor Committee. They are upset that people are expelled if found guilty of an honor violation but not sexual misconduct. I found this in the bylaws of the Honor Committee. This is the operating procedures to have an honor hearing:</p>
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<li>Standard for Formal Accusation. The Investigative Panel shall accuse the investigated student if it is “more likely than not” that the investigated student committed an Honor Offense. Specifically, the question before the Investigative Panel is whether it is “more likely than not” that:
(a) the investigated student committed the Act in question,
(b) the student committed such Act with Knowledge, and
(c) such Act was Significant.
For purposes of the Investigative Panel, “More Likely than Not” shall mean the investigative information shows that the probability of guilt outweighs the probability of innocence on each component of an Alleged Honor Offense, with the exception of consideration of a CR.</li>
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<p>This is the standard necessary just to accuse someone of an honor violation, after that they are entitled to a hearing and entitled to defend themselves present evidence etc. If after that they are found guilty they are expelled.</p>
<p>It is also important to note that they are also beginning to question the use of this one punishment system and are talking about a multiple sanctions system. Someone posted a link to an article above.</p>
<p>When you talk about the SMB they are only required, by the government, to apply the “more likely than not” standard for conviction. (Its called preponderance of evidence) </p>
<p>So you really cannot compare the results of the two, the SMB is in a tough spot, first rape at times is a tough thing to prove because of the delay in reporting and the he said she said aspect of it and second because of the lower standard of proof required (as mandated by our government, not decided as a good idea by Universities) I can imagine this makes the people who sit in judgement uncomfortable. </p>
<p>The honor committee trials operate the way a rape trial would be conducted by our court systems. Before the government got involved and changed the way the Universities handled sexual misconduct the hearings held in house were similar to Honors. There were even less punishments. Now with the new standard more are found responsible they are just not expelled, they are sent off campus for a time. I assume they find somewhere else to attend and probably never come back. Who would wait one or two years to continue their education? </p>
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In December 2012, Jackie broke down. All of a sudden she was going home and none of us knew why. It was right before finals, and I couldn’t believe she was leaving. She was distraught, and only said she needed to go home. </p>
<p>Sometime that year I remember her letting it slip to me that she had had a terrible experience at a party. I remember her telling me that multiple men had assaulted her at this party. She didn’t say anything more. It seemed that was all she’d allow herself to say. I wish I had done something sooner. I wish I had known how to help. But I applaud Jackie for telling her story, now two years later. It was a story that needed to be told.</p>
<p>What is the wow? This girl also says Jackie was used by RS and she doesn’t know details but something happened. That’s what most people have thought all along isn’t it? Except that I 100-percent think it was the sleazy writer not the magazine but that sort of distinction is too subtle. I get that. </p>
<p>I agree Marie, the writer really has no idea what has happened, just that Jackie got depressed during the semester. Students get depressed for a lot of reasons. </p>
<p>That’s probably true but it’s because a lot of people read things poorly. The original article very carefully doesn’t say Jackie said much of anything, either. And, many people were unable to see that for weeks but others read it once quickly and smelled a brewing problem on the horizon. </p>