<p>Look I am not picking apart any stats, I am just saying something very basic. When it comes to incidence of rape as defined by the law there is no better source than the BoJ. They have been publishing rape and sa stats for 40 years. </p>
<p>These other surveys you said, they use a different metric for rape and sa than the BoJ. They don’t just use legal standards. They add in other “bad” stuff too, which may very well be objectionable to women, but don’t form part of the legal definition of rape and sa.</p>
<p>May be the point is to change and expand the law. But where we stand now, the only common ground is current law, and not how someone would like the law to change in future. You can’t convict someone based on future law. And when it comes to current law, the BoJ survey is what it is.</p>
<p>@awcntdb wrote: "Now you saying that the term rape culture is college specific and is defined differently for each university and college? You have got to be kidding me. What nonsense.</p>
<p>I am talking about the use of the rape culture term in general in many threads on CC over many a months covering many issues and topics.</p>
<p>I suggest you search the forum and see the myriad of things and actions that have been called part of the rape culture on CC."</p>
<p>I never said the term rape culture was college specific. Where and how did you get that? smh</p>
<p>And I have read every post on every thread since this article was published.</p>
<p>“Where do you get this stuff? Nobody that I can remember has ever used any of those things that you listed as an example of a “rape culture” at UVA.”</p>
<p>He is just making up another straw man to distract from real issues. Everyone knows that the 1 in 5 number is probably too high but people still use it because they do not have another number to use. He is probably right in my opinion that the actual number is lower. However, it is still way too many. </p>
<p>What I find the most ironic is that he is strongly opposed to rape victims making things up (as am I). But then he makes up things in his posts on a regular basis. I guess his motto is “Do as I say, and not as I do.”</p>
<p>Ass grabbing is illegal. It is a crime. It is sexual assault, and UVa and other colleges ought to throw ass-grabbers out of college. There are different kinds of sexual assault, all of them illegal. Forced penetration is one kind. </p>
<p>SWDYDH - 2 of the studies I mentioned ARE from the Bureau of Justice. I’ve tried to access the actual studies but haven’t been able to yet, and it’s late. </p>
<p>I said that forcible kiss is not rape and this is how you respond? X_X </p>
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<p>Can you please post the FBI numbers and link then? I have posted the BoJ numbers before.</p>
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<p>Actually, no. Incidence of rape AND sa is 2 in 1000, with sa being far more common than rape. Let’s still say it is 10-90, and UVA has some total 9000 girls (someone said this earlier, probably Hunt), so then we get less than 2 rapes a year.</p>
<p>How about the BoJ number, 1 in 500? I mean, it’s only lower by 100-fold, but is the project of a team of criminologists and statisticians doing this for some 40 years. Well published, well respected, but doesn’t have the oomph factor of 1 in 5.</p>
<p>Well, you define where your ignorance comes from - I am not talking about since the publishing of the article. I am talking about the entire past year of CC. </p>
<p>If your timeline is since this article was published, you are not even ready to discuss the term rape culture. </p>
<p>Seriously, search the term going back a year or so and see what it gets you. </p>
<p>It’s a misdemeanor, not a felony. Again, let’s not try to make it look like everything is a grave crime like rape, as only rape is a grave crime, the only graver one being murder. See, this is what I am saying all evening. You lump everything together to make numbers look good, and you simply dilute your message, as some people then think rape is no different than ass grabbing. Is that really the message a rational adult want to send to kids?</p>
<p>To repeat, ass grabbing is horrible to do, but still is not a crime, nor rape. Rape is forced penetration, simple as that. Someone even posted this from the FBI site. Why this urge to make up new law?</p>
<p>The point is the number has never been close to 1 in 5, not since record keeping in the US. But that has been known for decades. Even in 1993 it was 5 per 1000. That is 1 in 200, not 1 in 5. </p>
<p>This is the part of CC I do not get. I have known this since the mid-80s, and many others have too. How in the world have so many females and males who are supposedly so bright buy into a stat like 1 in 5 without checking first? </p>
<p>awcntdb - note that your link is for female sexual assault or rape - any age- where the link I posted is specially for college women. Numerous studies have shown that college women have a higher likelihood of rape. Rape is most common for women age 16 - 24. </p>
<p>Oh, I have to remember you are new to CC. The reason is simple and have been explained many a times - the urge to make new law is to raise the conviction rate for sexual assault, even if it means making new categories. </p>
<p>The real goal though is to make everything equivalent to rape you describe, so it can be said the conviction rate for rape as been raised even though the same number of females are stilling actually raped (penetration). It took me a while, but it s numbed game here. If we raise the conviction rate, we have succeeded, even if it means the real rapists are still rolling along. It is catch all mindset and to catch more, you expand the definitions and change the rules. </p>
<p>This number is 52.7 per 100,000 or 2.635 per 500, not 1 in 500 as you said. It also is apples to oranges as it is only forcible rape and not all forms of rape which now include sodomy etc. Finally, it also only includes reported rapes and everyone agrees the number of reported rapes is much lower than the actual incidence. </p>
<p>Here is a link to a story about a more recent study by the National Research Council:</p>
<p>If we use the 80% under-reporting figure that they came up with then we get around 13 rapes per 500 women, or 130 per every 5000 women. With 9k women at UVA that is over 200 rapes per year. Still want to claim just 1?</p>
<p>A higher likelihood in no way means sexual assault is 40X, 30X, or even 20X higher on colleges. That would make it safer young ladies to walk the street at night naked than attend college. Are parents this dumb to send their daughters to such environments? I do not think so. </p>
<p>Even if the likelihood is 3X higher, that is still 1 in 165. And I bet you it is not even 3X higher.</p>
<p>A better question is why anyone who is supposedly so bright would buy into low stats like the ones you posted when nearly all unbiased studies show that rapes are under-reported by as much as 80%.</p>
<p>Edited- btw, I am not one of the ones who believes in 1 in 5 but I sure don’t think it is 1 in 500 either. </p>
<p>This is interesting and adds the drunk or drugged breakdown.</p>
<p>The Medical University of South Carolina released a survey of 2,000 college women in 2007. Unlike the Campus Sexual Assault Study, the pool of respondents was national. The survey found that 11.5 percent of women attending college had been raped, including forcible rape, drug-facilitated rape, and incapacitated rape. That number is relatively on par with the Campus Sexual Assault Survey, which found 3.4 percent of women said they were victims of forced rape and 8.5 percent said they experienced rape while incapacitated, meaning they were not in a state to consent to the act.</p>