<h1>1809 – +1. Every one this board should read that Slate article. I agree with it 100%.</h1>
<p>Campus rape is a real problem.</p>
<p>The attempt to use title ix to address campus rape is also a real problem. </p>
<p>"This is, IMNSHO, the best article that has been published on this issue so far:</p>
<p>Consolation, Fair enough on both timelines but you should also note that there are many from your generation here who are advocating celibacy till 21, chocolate-milk only campuses, and inability of women who don’t want to be part of the binge drinking and hookup culture to just separate themselves without forcing behavior change to the campus at large.</p>
<p>Sorry for the typo guys, I left out “victim” and now corrected it. I meant rape victim advocate all along. I still want to know what you think of the Yale process, as, after all, it is accuser friendly. That’s what you guys want, right?</p>
<p>So, what constitutes consent in a Court of Law? Anyone?</p>
<p>Each state has its own legal definition of “consent.”</p>
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<p>You know, they were having sex with women. I think it is pretty disrespectful to call women animals. <shakes my=“” head=“”></shakes></p>
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<p>Very. And the women too.</p>
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<p>Did I say that it was assault on either side? I said it is just run-of-the-mill drunk sex. You are the one who said it is assault.</p>
<p>You can look this S up, too. “A concurrence of wills. Express consent is that directly given, either lira voce or in writing.”<br>
Another: “Consent is an act of reason and deliberation. A person who possesses and exercises sufficient mental capacity to make an intelligent decision demonstrates consent by performing an act recommended by another. Consent assumes a physical power to act and a reflective, determined, and unencumbered exertion of these powers.” Both from legal perspective, not some college mentality.</p>
<p>Did you think it was being to drunk to actually say No? </p>
<p>As of last September California has enacted an “only yes means yes” consent law. There must be an affirmative “yes”.</p>
<p><a href=“California Love: Only Yes Means Yes For Sexual Consent”>http://www.mintpressnews.com/california-love-yes-means-yes-sexual-consent/197707/</a></p>
<p>Anyway, I am done with this nonsensical thread, where a bunch of old people, with no clue about contemporary campus life, are trying to find solutions to problems that don’t exist (rape exists though, and teaching kids to drink better will lower the incidence), by enforcing draconian behavior modification solutions, that have always failed in the past, on kids they would like to continue to helicopter, but can’t because they are now adults. Just one suggestion guys. Instead of pontificating about what YOUR solution would be, ask your kids what their solution would be. As, you know, it’s their problem, not yours.</p>
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<p>Thank you for the links you have posted. I would be very interested to hear JHS’s take on Title IX. As is clear from my posts, I don’t like threads on rape which continually focus on men being disadvantaged. I am sure that happens. It’s a bad thing. I want to focus on how we prevent rape. Then everyone will be much better off.</p>
<p>“run of the mill drunk sex” still needs consent. This notion getting drunk enough is an excuse is bosh. </p>
<p>And bub, you’ve told us umpteen times you are done with this thread and then you pop right back in. </p>
<p>Not to mention that this dismissive repeat reference to us as old or older is sophomoric. You want to be taken seriously? It can only come via your own words and presentation. Or not.</p>
<p>On an anon forum, we are what we write. Make of that what you will, but it applies to all.</p>
<p>I know. This thread is like a fungus. It’s growing on me.</p>
<p>So, how would you lower rape? Drunk hookups are here to stay, so you can’t wish them away. You can make standards of consent stricter, but higher standards only work if there is a consequence attached to breaking them, and rape is still a he said she said case. Now what?</p>
<p>If you think just asking men to keep it in their pants will work, that’s like saying asking Palestinians and Israelis to not fight will bring about middle east peace. Also you can’t ask the women to not flirt, as that’s blaming the victim, right?</p>
<p>So what are some real concrete suggestions? I do agree that expelling kids both boys and girls for having sex or drinking will work, because the campus will soon be empty except for those that spend all their time in the library. Is that the goal?</p>
<p>You are in the parent forum, our house. We did not invite you. We have been hospitable. You have abused our hospitality. Please slow down, read a while without posting and come back later if you are still interested. What is your purpose here? If you don’t want to learn and don’t think we have anything to offer? It is one thing for parent posters to be deliberately provocative. This is their forum.</p>
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[quote=sowhatdoyoudohuh}I would love to see the responses to post 1796 by the rape victim advocates on this forum, especially alh, Cardinal Fang, D Stark (I think I know what his response would be), and Looking Forward.
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<p>Let me play devils advocate for a minute (that is not to say that the article doesn’t make me mad and want revenge). However, the logical side of me asks a few questions. </p>
<p>That article never mentions whether or not any formal charges were filed. I assume they weren’t. If not, and I were in that predicament I would say “the charges were unfounded and the school agreed with me”. You can make that statement because if there had been any foundation for the charges a formal charge would have been leveled. </p>
<p>Is this really much different than if I find out you are up for some prestigious award and call the local police and tell them that you molested me but don’t give them my name? I then call the Washington Post and tell them that you are being investigated and that there was a complaint about you. That would be identical to this situation and there would likely be some fallout to your reputation. The police will do an investigation and find that there is no basis for an official inquiry. You don’t have the option of asking for a trial so you can prove your innocence. Is his situation that (any?) different. </p>
<p>You then write blogs about how unfairly you were treated (which you were) and how your life has nearly been ruined even though this all happened in a situation where you are granted due process. </p>
<p>No, SW, you’ve said your goodbyes multiple times. Take a breather. Think. Maybe your perspective will be better received on the HS forum. As said, this is our house. The HS kids we work well with don’t show up to try futilely to show us up and then label us a bunch of old folks, when we disagree. Think.</p>
<p>To be fair to SWDUDH: (and I am not sure why we should do that): He never labelled people as “rape advocates”. He said “rape victim advocates”. There is a world of difference. I am proud to say I am a rape victim advocate. I am also a due process advocate. They don’t have to be mutually exclusive. </p>
<p>EDIT- I think I see from another post that left out the word “advocate”. In that case let’s not give the benefit on the doubt.:)</p>
<p>I do agree that drinking has alot to do with it, yet sometimes at these tribunals that are supposedly about sexual assault there is adjudication but no honor code violation for the drinkers if they are underage. i don’t care if you are the accuser or the victim, if the first thing you both did wrong was drink underage then that needs to be addressed. That might stop some of the more ludicrous claims. i think we can’t bit this off in one big chunk. aw etc. is correct and i, too, had read the loss rate for colleges was roughly 2/3rds. I’ll try to find the cite to source tonight. Real money, scholarship money, your and my fees, etc. are going to sort out bad sex between college kids when the issue is almost always one of them or both of them drinking too much. You’re not going to eliminate drinking on campuses and even if colleges do it gets driven off campus but you can make kids think twice before they go reporting stuff that they for all practical purposes should be able to figure out themselves.</p>
<p>i think we have to clean up the language…I already mentioned that we con-volute the term rape so badly it loses it’s meaning and it’s power. I place that squarely on the heads of the advocates. And I think when a rape, a forcible sexual assault is reported the police need to be involved. </p>
<p>He called us rape advocates but then edited the post. I believe it probably was a typo. This is the first time I ever flagged someone and wouldn’t have done so if I had seen the edit beforehand. Sincere apologies to any parent posters who would have preferred he/she remain on the thread, and to sowhatdoyoudodhuh for not seeing the edit in time.</p>
<p>SWDUDH mistakenly left of the word victim. It’s not a big deal. </p>
<p>Right. “Sorry for the typo guys, I left out “victim” and now corrected it.”
But it wasn’t the only case of presuming and finger pointing. </p>