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<p>I’m already both. Have been since Law School. Card carrying member of NOW back in the day. Title IX Committee at a DI school as the student rep. I’ve been fighting you guys since UG. </p>
<p>Now I just sue you. 
Hoo-rah!</p>
<p>huh? how do you sue him? rather, how can you sue him (and expect to win)?</p>
<p>You don’t need to go to law school to see that you won’t win such a case…</p>
<p>now if only you will counter
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<p>and learn to edit instead of triple posting.</p>
<p>Not for what he does here, silly. LOL. Nobody cares what he “palavers and prattles” on about here. </p>
<p>Suing is for when he brings that attitude into the workplace and discriminates on the basis of his “ideas”.That’s when I’ll get him in my cross-hairs.</p>
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And you say I have bias? At least now i know why you argue from emotion rather than logic 
I’m personally bias towards logic and truth. You prove to me girls are better at some things to a logical conclusion, I’ll buy it. YOu make statements based in emotion and political correctness and I’ll call you on it EVERY TIME! Period! Nice attempt at an ole’ but stop skirting the issues and prove me wrong. I’m looking forward to the challenge…cue jeopardy music.</p>
<p>What emotion? All the exclamation points are on your side of the net, bigboy. ;)</p>
<p>You wont debate me because you cant win on the merits. You continue with unfounded attacks to cover your inability to win. At least my insult was founded, big girl!!! :)</p>
<p>okay this is becoming silly and off topic…</p>
<p>get back on topic people!
tom, i agree with most of your statements, but girls are good at some things. For example more girls like to read than boys, and therefore they are more likely to be better at languages.</p>
<p>I completely agree with post #60.</p>
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Can you provide evidence suggesting that there is no physiological differences in brain operation between people with different genetics or gender?</p>
<p>“I don’t believe that mathematical talent springs “from nowhere.” Personally, I think it’s a result of thinking hard about interesting problems. There’s no necessary gender monopoly on that.”</p>
<p>Doing exercises, problems, and learning the lore.</p>
<p>I have a son and a daughter. Both homeschooled so there were fewer outside gender influences. I’ve spent a lot of time and effort with our daughter on math and on trying to get her interested in math and science. She gets to choose what she studies and loves literature, writing and the social sciences. Our son is a math and science sponge and has been since he was very young. It’s a tiny sample size but my judgement is that there are innate differences in ability and interest.</p>
<p>Now that the “leanings” (gender bias and I highly suspect “other” genetic biases) have clearly come out , my intent on this thread has been accomplished. I’ll let the far right have the floor. You kids enjoy yourselves. ;)</p>
<p>And BTW I’d make a heckuva ugly woman. :eek:</p>
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Can you provide evidence suggesting that there is no physiological differences in brain operation between people with different genetics or gender?</p>
<p>In my family of 5 siblings 4 boys 1 girl- the girl smoked us all in math. It was no contest. We could not even get on the field with her.</p>
<p>In response to Mr. Payne’s most recent post, I have rather skimpy knowledge of the literature in that area. However, I don’t think there’s any evidence that actually ties the currently observed differences in performance to differences in brain function. The male edge seems to be decreasing over time, while the biological differences remain essentially unchanged. That argues against a biological basis for at least part of the current differences in performance . . . not to say that there are no differences, just that their impact should not be overestimated.</p>
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<p>Agreed. Take my family (now all adults): one kid was a natural at math from an early age, the other three not so much. The math natural, in this case, was female; the non-mathies were male. Or, take my kids (please! ) : one is a natural math talent, the other isn’t. Both girls. Of course there are innate differences in ability and interest. The culture influence part, that can be harder to suss out.</p>
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Which is a fair judgement, and I agreed with you. However, other posters seem to think that recognizing the differences as <em>possibly</em> being due to biological circumstances as kooks is totally unfounded. There is very little evidence suggesting that all human minds are the same. I’ll stick with Steven Pinker on this subject.</p>
<p>Here’s an interesting article on the nature v nurture issue that appeared in Scientific American a few years back, it focuses on physiological differences in the male and female brains. </p>
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<p>[Sex-linked</a> Brain Differences–Scientific American](<a href=“http://healthfully.org/medicalscience/id8.html]Sex-linked”>Sex-linked Brain Differences--Scientific American)</p>
<p>As this article notes, a better understanding of sex-related physiological differences may be required in order to better understand and treat certain brain-related disorders or diseases, eg, a different form of treatment for schizophrenia may be required for males than for females (or, rather for individuals with “male” brains or “female” brains - recognizing that there is no doubt a great deal of overlap and that all brains are on a spectrum):</p>
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<p>lol @ everything having to be “equal”</p>
<p>If girls are so good at math, why are three times as many boys taking the AIME and scoring better? [AIME</a> I & II 2008 Statistics](<a href=“http://www.unl.edu/amc/e-exams/e7-aime/e7-1-aimearchive/2008-aa/08-AIMEstats.shtml]AIME”>http://www.unl.edu/amc/e-exams/e7-aime/e7-1-aimearchive/2008-aa/08-AIMEstats.shtml)</p>
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<p>I’m not Tom, but how about weightlifting? In the 2007 World Championships, the gold medalist in the Women’s 63kg class totaled 257 kilos. There’s no 63kg class for men, but there is a 62kg class. The gold medalist in the Men’s 62kg class totaled 315kg.</p>
<p>By comparison, the gold medalist in the Women’s 75+ kg class totaled 319kg. At 115.17kg, her weight was almost twice that of the Men’s 62kg champion. Yet, her total was just 4 kilos more. The Men’s champion in the 105kg class totaled 423kg. He weighed 12 kilos less than the Women’s 75+ champion, but his total was 104 kilos greater.</p>
<p>Fact of the matter is, men are physically stronger than women. I don’t see what’s so offensive about that.</p>
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<p>I see that you acknowledged physical areas as one legitimate department.</p>
<p>The Wall Street Journal had an article about this research in the 07/25/2008 edition. They mentioned one thing that the AP article omitted: “Girls and boys have roughly the same average scores on state math tests, but boys more often excelled or failed, researchers reported.” (emphasis added)</p>
<p>Mr. Payne and a few others mentioned this, but for whatever reason, the AP article neglected to include it.</p>