<p>[America’s</a> Best High Schools - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/high-schools/2007/11/29/americas-best-high-schools.html]America’s”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/high-schools/2007/11/29/americas-best-high-schools.html)</p>
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<p>Schools on this list weren’t allowed on Newsweek’s list.</p>
<p>Going back through the last two states we’ve lived, there are some questionable entries, IMO—makes me question their measurement criteria (but who’s surprised?!!) Oh well.</p>
<p>USNWR’s formula makes much more sense than Newsweek’s AP-based one, but I think you’re mistaken about whether schools can be on both lists. There are plenty here that are also on Newsweek’s.</p>
<p>In my opinion, this list seems to be heavily skewed toward schools that have the advantage of good input – that is, their students have either been selected for prestigious magnet programs or come from affluent areas where a high value is placed on education.</p>
<p>I have nothing against Thomas Jefferson and Stuyvesant, but part of the reason for their success is that all of their students are the sort who can qualify for Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant.</p>
<p>In my own area (Montgomery County, Maryland) the three schools that qualified for the top 100 (Wootton, Whitman, and Churchill) are the three that serve the most affluent areas of the county and have such a reputation for academic excellence that people deliberately move into those neighborhoods (and pay premium prices for the privilege) just to get their kids into those high schools. No surprises there.</p>
<p>Marian, ditto on Westchester County - the schools here that made this list are from the absolute most affluent towns. </p>
<p>I just meant that it’s at least a somewhat more thoughtful way of calibrating than the how-many-APs-list.</p>
<p>Well, on the other hand, there are plenty of schools from affluent areas that did not make the list.</p>
<p>I grew up in Fairfield County, Connecticut, where certain towns just ooze with money. There isn’t a single Fairfield County school on the top 100 list.</p>
<p>The USNWR rankings are much closer to the Newsweek rankings than may be apparent. They both use the AP participation rate as the most important ranking factor. USNWR uses a pre-screen before applying their AP formula, and uses the data in a somewhat different way, but the end result is still similar.</p>
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<p>So, if you believe Jay Matthews, enjoy the rankings. If you think the evaluation of HS is a bit more nuanced, then think twice. Remember that AP participation rates can be affected by things as simple as having the state pay for the exams, like Florida.</p>
<p>It’s curious that a HS that had two classmates selected as Rhodes Scholars this year at their respective colleges barely made it into the second (silver) tier of HS, i.e. the top 500.</p>
<p>I also noticed that the majority of the top 100 seem to be magnet schools, charter schools or exam schools - each with selective admissions requirements. And the few that were not seem to be in very high SES areas.</p>
<p>Some of the math and science academies aren’t listed…I searched for them and they weren’t even rated at all.</p>
<p>If I understand the way these rankings were determined, they essentially favor the schools that do best by the worst students in the school. Which is not such a bad way of looking at things, but easily accounts for the fact that a school that produced two Rhodes Scholars in one class might not make the top 100. (There are a lot more schools with silver and bronze medals.)</p>
<p>In Pennsylvania, there were only two gold medal schools, both from the Philadelphia area. One is the smallest of the city’s academic magnet schools – no surprise there. The other is what I would have thought of as a second-tier, striving suburban school. If you were looking at elite college acceptances, this school wouldn’t make the top 10 among its area suburban peers, much less qualify as the second-best public high school in the state. But it’s entirely possible that the school does a better job of having the bottom closer to the mean.</p>
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Right you are. I was imprecise in my previous statement. I should have added the qualifier that some schools aren’t allowed on Newsweek’s list.</p>
<p>What’s up with Hidalgo County, Texas? Most (not all, but most) of these schools are in affluent, metropolitan areas; whereas Hidalgo County is an area with a ton of problems, a burgeoning population that leads to a wide array of issues, and it’s situated in far South Texas, right on the border with Mexico. Believe they have 3 schools in the top fifty or sixty on this list. Wonder how they do it? Good for them!</p>
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I don’t think this is accurate, but the article is a bit light on specifics regarding their methodology. However, to quote USNWR:
I interpret this to mean that across the board performance, including that of low income students, is a threshold requirement. Unfortunately, it appears to me when I examine the detailed data that this threshold is (unfairly?) tilted toward schools that have small numbers of minority and poor students, as it appears much easier to have adequately performing minority/poor students when they are only 1-2% of the student body. </p>
<p>It is interesting to look for true “public” schools (i.e. open admissions) in the top 40. </p>
<p>The first is #5, Montpelier High School in Vermont. Enrollment, 410. Minority enrollment not available, but 17 percent poverty. I don’t know the school or area, so can’t comment. </p>
<p>The next public school is #11, Hidalgo High School in Texas. 100% minority and 90% poverty. Looks like a real outlier? </p>
<p>Next is #28, Edgemont Junior-Senior High School in Westchester county NY. 1.9% minority, 0% poverty! Easy to make the screen with those demographics.</p>
<h1>33 is Highland Park High School, Highland Park, Tx, surrounded by Dallas. 3.7% minority 0% poverty. This school is in one of the highest SES areas in all of Texas.</h1>
<h1>34 is Thomas S. Wootton High in Montgomery County, MD. 10.2 minority and 4.2 poverty. This HS is part of a county-wide system in what is demographically one of the more affluent counties in the country.</h1>
<h1>37 Langley High in McLean, VA. 4.2% minority 0.8% poverty. Like horses? You’ll love McLean. One of the wealthiest communities in the nation.</h1>
<p>Note that of the top 40, exactly 6 are “normal” public HS.</p>
<p>The two schools from WA on this list are located in the wealthiest part of the Eastside (MSFT backyard). I highly doubt there are too many lower income kids at those schools, since even people with median income can barely afford to buy or rent in this area.</p>
<p>Surprising how few states are represented–most states don’t have a single school on the list.</p>
<p>atomom,</p>
<p>Interesting point, which I suspect is due to several reasons:</p>
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<li><p>the whole project depended on NCLB style state test results. Ten states and DC did not make the needed data available.</p></li>
<li><p>Since we still don’t have a national standard for this testing, each state does it differently, using different standards and different test content. Hence comparing results between states is difficult and subject to spurious results. Yet they did so here.</p></li>
<li><p>AP test participation is critical to these rankings. Yet each state has its own approach to AP courses and testing (including no state approach in some states). Again, this contorts the results in unexpected ways.</p></li>
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<p>Just looked at the schools listed for our county and I am going to have to look more closely at the methodology used to create this list. The list for our county does not accurately reflect what are commonly known to be the best high schools here. In fact, I don’t know that anyone local would have put a few of the names on this list, including parents of kids in the listed schools.</p>
<p>I see some schools that are ranked higher than other schools with higher academic index, using CA index. I’m not sure how much to trust this list.</p>
<p>I’ve never heard of most of the high schools listed for NC, and most of the obvious choices are entirely missing. NCSSM is a particularly glaring omission, but others (East Chapel Hill, Enloe, Charlotte Latin, etc.) were also not listed.</p>
<p>The methodology sets a hurdle for how well likely less-advantaged students need to do to be considered for the list, so many high schools with fabulous scores and AP participation will not be highly rated if they have very poor results for minority or children from high poverty backgrounds, so in that sense it may be an improvement on the Newsweek methodology. On the other hand, this list seems to include test-admission schools, and I think that the Newsweek list excludes them.</p>
<p>Looking at two schools that are close in the rankings, Peak To Peak Charter School in Lafayette Colorado (#47) comes in ahead of Scarsdale (NY) Senior High School (#55). Peak to Peak has 8.4% minority enrollment and 6.5% disadvantaged student enrollment, while Scarsdale’s numbers are 4% minority, 0% disadvantaged. Peak to Peak had a 90.4% participation rate in AP exams, while Scarsdale’s was 74.4%. Scarsdale students pass AP exams at a much higher rate (92.9%) vs. Peak to Peak’s 59.5%, but according to Jay Matthews (Newsweek & Washington Post) Scarsdale has long restricted who is allowed to take AP classes to ensure that only student who are very likely to earn passing grades are allowed to enroll. Scarsdale still does well in the rankings (both USNWR & Newsweek), but they’re clearly being hammered because of the restrictive AP enrollment practices. You have to apply through open enrollment to get into Peak to Peak, but there isn’t any test or prior school result used to determine admissions, but you need to live in the Scarsdale school district (which costs pretty big bucks) to go to school there.</p>
<p>Which school is better? If you have the money to live in Scarsdale and have a student who is allowed to take the AP classes, Scarsdale clearly has outstanding results. If you want a substantially less costly home, and want your student to be encouraged to take AP classes and tests, then you might find Peak to Peak to be the better school. If you’re the parent of a minority or economically disadvantaged student, you probably don’t have a choice, but if you did, the data seems to suggest that Peak to Peak would likely be the much better alternative.</p>
<p>YMMV.</p>
<p>While I think giving such weight to AP exams is silly (remember too that Scarsdale no longer offers AP courses because they want more flexibility to teach college level courses without the rigid AP curriculum), I do like that unlike the Newsweek list this list also puts some weight on actually passing the AP exams.</p>
<p>I was curious about the “college readiness” index - which seems to be badly named - surely 11% of Stuyvesant are not not ready for college!</p>
<p>I thought it was interesting that in Westchester two Yonkers schools made the list - I would never ever have predicted that.</p>