<p>I don’t understand why some people are getting overly angry at the dad. The kid was still trespassing, yes?</p>
<p>Yes, definitely. I think what the dad did was totally understandable.</p>
<p>Yeah, I totally understand the dad.</p>
<p>I understand wanting to beat the kid up, but do you guys really think a metal pipe to the head was necessary? Unless the guy was a grown adult, there’s no need for that much violence, and the news story says the dad was charged with aggravated battery on a child. I doubt the naked teen would’ve put up much of a fight.</p>
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The story said that the dad chased the kid out, do you have a link to the updated story?</p>
<p>I’m not doubting you, just curious.</p>
<p>Poor boy. I don’t think he expected this kind of thing to happen to him. There may be lack of judgment on the kid’s part, but still, metal pipe? Gee.</p>
<p>The article didn’t say the situation. Did the kid just stand there? What exactly happened? If the dad forced him to stay there and then beat him, sure, it’s battery. But if the dad went in, saw the naked kid, grabbed a nearby metal pipe, and got him the hell away from his daughter, I really don’t blame the dad AT ALL.</p>
<p>Here’s a more detailed version of the story.</p>
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<p>The father had no right to attack the boy. This is not a case of rape or sexual assault, this was a 15 year old boy with a girl who gave consent. At most, both of them are under the legal age to give consent, depending on the state. So he isn’t committing statutory rape. </p>
<p>He was not trespassing, as he was invited into the house by the girlfriend. It would be trespassing if the father explicitly told him he could not enter the house. Any other way could easily be construed as entrapment: one family member invites the boy in, then another attacks without saying he is not welcome. </p>
<p>Also, the logic that the father had a right to attack the boy because he may have been harming her is faulty too. Being naked does not constitute aggressiveness toward another. The father has to witness the boy being aggressive towards his daughter, or she has to yell, scream, or somehow indicate that he is naked without her consent. </p>
<p>The proper course of action for the father would be to tell the boy to get clothed and get out; or to ask his daughter if this was consensual. If it wasn’t consensual, or if he didn’t leave after being told to leave, then the father had the right to beat the boy up. Still, without any active indication that the boy was harming the girl, it’s going to be pretty hard for a grown man to prove that beating up a BOY was appropriate. </p>
<p>Sorry, but a BOY being naked with a girl and being in the house with the consent of member of the house does not constitute aggressive behavior. The father made an assumption that was wrong, and I hope he pays for it.</p>
<p>Brings new meaning to the phrase “pay the piper”</p>
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<p>I had a huge post, but then I clicked a button and the box disappeared for some reason. Anyway, I have this to say:</p>
<p>Your reasoning is fundamentally flawed. If someone found a burglar in their home, would they be wrong to chase them out and then call 911? No. Should they ask said burglar whether he was invited in by another member of the family? No. Your suggestion that the father ask his daughter whether the sex was consensual with a naked man he doesn’t know in the room is totally ridiculous. Maybe if he knew the kid was there, but not at 4 in the morning. Do you seriously believe that? If you do, I hope someone breaks into your house and you go through a questioning process, and then you can let us know how well it works.</p>
<p>We know the kid wasn’t a rapist or a burglar. But the father did not know that, and should not be responsible for knowing which naked strange men in his house at night were invited in by his daughter and which weren’t. He found someone at 4 AM naked in his daughter’s room. The only responsible action would have been to get him the hell out of there, which is exactly what he did. Your suggestions for the dad seem to be products of someone stuck in lalaland.</p>
<p>Plus, does the daughter own the house? I don’t think so. The father/mother does, and neither of them knew. Plus, the daughter is in their custody.</p>
<p>^ Sure, he probably didn’t know at first what the hell was going on, but that’s no excuse to go ape***** on the kid. </p>
<p>Even if something looks bad, you have to assess the situation. It doesn’t seem like he did that.</p>
<p>That’s because he shouldn’t have (in my opinion), and there was no obligation to at all.</p>
<p>Naked person standing on your daughter’s bed, whom you don’t know, at 4 A.M. in the morning =/= a situation that you should spend a long time thinking about. It’s a situation where you get that person out of your house, as fast as humanly possible. The dad was operating on NO knowledge at all. If the person was clothed and in a different room, what should the father have done? EXACTLY the same thing. The only reason people are saying the father is in the wrong is because they know the kid was sneaking in was to have sex with his daughter (at 4 in the morning). The dad didn’t know that. Plus, the fact that he called 911 afterwards shows that he wasn’t just going berserk and knew what was going on. </p>
<p>The dad whacked him with a pipe, chased him out, and called the police. In other words, a totally understandable and justifiable action in order to keep his daughter safe. In these situations, you don’t have TIME to ask questions or figure out what’s going on. You you shouldn’t have to even if you did. Does that mean that the dad should murder the young man? Obviously not. Nor did he. He hit him with a pipe, then forced him out of his house. I wouldn’t call that an unreasonable action at all.</p>
<p>Uhh, how may rapists/burglars strip down naked?</p>
<p>I wouldnt go at a 15 year old with a metal pipe. Perhaps my fists. But definitely not a metal pipe. I would be smart enough to think before i beat the hell out of some young kid with a metal pipe.</p>
<p>I would but that’s just me.</p>
<p>Almost every intelligent adult I know wouldn’t use a metal pipe. I agree using some force is reasonable. A metal pipe can easily be considered excessive force. I mean, the kid had to get his head stapled shut. The man didn’t just give him a black eye.</p>
<p>Yeah, there was no reason for him to use a metal pipe against him. Maybe as a threat, but he should not have outright attacked him. He could have killed the kid. A mere 15 year old boy.</p>
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<p>This has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. Too bad the dad didn’t take out his shotgun and sprayed him a bit … if the kid didn’t die, then no problem, right? Violent assault with a great chance of killing is cool. After all, it’s totally crucial to react first and then think about the situation. Don’t forget, a call to 911 after the fact justifies all your actions too, because clearly you weren’t going berserk. Uhm… yeah. Glad I’m not living anywhere near you. </p>
<p>Staying with my mom once during a spring break, I climbed the stairs late at night to head to my bedroom. My mom woke up from a pretty deep sleep and had completely forgotten I was over for the week. Good thing she took a second off to think and didn’t grab the nearest metal pipe to whack me.</p>
<p>@k&s: I don’t know. How many rapists do?</p>
<p>@pachu: I agree, actually. I wouldn’t have used a pipe.</p>
<p>@tetra: First, the fact he didn’t die is obviously relevant. Second,you have to understand that when safety is at stake (that of your own family) reaction isn’t always an option. He needs to make sure his daughter was safe, you know, from the naked man he didn’t know and didn’t see coming into the house. As long as you don’t do that, I won’t bludgeon you. </p>
<p>Also, realize this kid was a stranger. Even if he took a moment, it wouldn’t have changed anything. At least your mother would have known it was you.</p>
<p>For the record, I am speaking somewhat from experience. I was he alone once, playing video games. I didn’t hear the brick smash through our garage window. But my mom drove up that instant to find a man climbing throuh. She chased after him until he jumped our fence. She didn’t really ask questions, but I guess she should have. Do you see what I’m saying? We know now the kid was just making terrible sex decisions. But the dad only knew a creepy naked guy was in his daughter’s room in the middle of he night.</p>
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<p>Really, nothing? Oh wait, what about the fact that this was a 15-year old kid? One would think that would be a pretty damn good point. You see the difference between creepy naked guy and immature naked teenager? </p>
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<p>Are you sure you read the article? You keep stressing this “man” part. Which is wrong.</p>
<p>Here, let me help you,</p>
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