<p>The father did nothing wrong. i hope the daughter learned her leason.</p>
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Are you serious?</p>
<p>You’re talking about this kid like he was fresh out of the womb and the father was beating up an infant.</p>
<p>Do you have any idea what a 15-year old can look like? There’s no one right answer because there are so many different 15-year olds, but they are clearly within the “if he’s in my house at 4 am, I will beat him away because he could hurt my family/pull a knife on me” range.</p>
<p>They call him a “boy” because he’s under 18 and legally a minor. Notice how as soon as people turn 18, the news refers to them as “men” and “women”, even though I know a lot of so-called-adults in the 18-24 range I would most definitely not refer to as “men” or “women”.</p>
<p>I also agree with the father here; he was totally in the clear.</p>
<p>I could say more but I’d just be repeating the points Baelor brought up earlier.</p>
<p>Thanks for hooking me up to Fox News. Great headlines to while away my morning.</p>
<p>For example: “Woman Trapped in Home by Giant Pig”
[FOXNews.com</a> - Rescue Planned for Woman Trapped in Home by Giant Pig - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News](<a href=“http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426272,00.html]FOXNews.com”>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426272,00.html)</p>
<p>Great comedy. People hate on Fox News for whatever reason but forget that MSNBC has Chris Matthews, Olbermann, while CNN has Cafferty, Lou Dobbs, Campbell Brown.</p>
<p>Watch them all and get a balanced view, and by all of them, I mean, not MSNBC :D</p>
<p>“Really, nothing? Oh wait, what about the fact that this was a 15-year old kid? One would think that would be a pretty damn good point. You see the difference between creepy naked guy and immature naked teenager?”</p>
<p>Sure, sure. I’m sorry. The fact that it’s a 15-year old kid isn’t relevant. In fact, the father should have realized that his age made it normal and acceptable to sneak into his home and get naked at 4 in the morning. My mistake!</p>
<p>“Are you sure you read the article? You keep stressing this “man” part. Which is wrong.”</p>
<p>Uh, the kid was naked and taking part in mature activities, i.e. sex. It’s not as if he sneaked in to play house with the daughter. So in this case, I find absolutely no problem with referring to him as a “man.” </p>
<p>However, I take by your last post that you have given up trying to support your position, because you haven’t explained why it matters that the kid was 15 versus, say 17. Or 18. From the perspective of the father, that is. Or maybe he should have inquired about his age? That seems to be within your line of reasoning.</p>
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15 year olds sneaking into each other’s houses to have sex…</p>
<p>Like that ever happens…</p>
<p>"15 year olds sneaking into each other’s houses to have sex…</p>
<p>Like that ever happens…"</p>
<p>Read my post, please. It may help you realize that your statement was already addressed. Let’s revisit:</p>
<p>“Normal” - No. Sure, kids have sex. Duh. Kids having sex at 4 in the morning in someone’s house by sneaking in? Hardly normal. I’m sure you’ll agree.</p>
<p>“Acceptable” - Haha. No explanation needed.</p>
<p>See? Not reading what other people say and then responding with a failed snide comment is an act of total idiocy that can be avoided by paying attention to what other people say.</p>
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I disagree.</p>
<p>kids having sex is not normal period.</p>
<p>Definitely, kids having sex is disgusting.</p>
<p>wat i want to know is y the daughter wasnt screaming at the dad to cut it out. either they left it out, she was and it didnt help any! or she wasnt.</p>
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Maybe in your neighborhood, all the high school kids would sneak into their girlfriend’s/boyfriend’s homes at 4 am and start having sex every morning.</p>
<p>But in the other 99% of normal households, fathers do not expect to find a naked guy in their daughters’ bedroom at 4 am.</p>
<p>Correction: you don’t WANT to think that teenagers have sex. But they do. How else do teens get pregnant? Immaculate conception? Sarah Palin must soon be the grandmother of the second coming of Christ!</p>
<p>You may think it’s disgusting, but it happens- their hormones tell them to do it, and not all or most of teenagers can ignore it.</p>
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<p>It DOES happen. But do everyone do it? No. Do most people do it? No. Do a considerable amount of people do it so that it counts as normal? I don’t think so. </p>
<p>Just because there are a few cases doesn’t mean anything. I don’t know anyone who is/was pregnant before … 20ish.</p>
<p>Not according to the research:</p>
<p>[BBC</a> News | HEALTH | Teenagers losing their virginity at 15](<a href=“http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/801872.stm]BBC”>BBC News | HEALTH | Teenagers losing their virginity at 15)</p>
<p>In the UK, 25% lose their virginity before age 16. </p>
<p>[BBC</a> NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Are we having more sex?](<a href=“http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/4348052.stm]BBC”>BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Are we having more sex?)</p>
<p>This article states that the average age in 2000 was 17. </p>
<p>This article, which links to a pdf, also says 17: <a href=“http://www.newstrategist.com/productdetails/Sex.SamplePgs.pdf[/url]”>www.newstrategist.com/productdetails/Sex.SamplePgs.pdf</a> </p>
<p>All of these studies certainly coincide with my experience at a private high school, with a graduating class of around 50, where very few people left as virgins. I had the same experience in my freshman year of college, when I was kicked out of my dorm room by my roommate and a rotation of various girls.</p>
<p>Edit: It is quite natural for teenagers to want to have sex and to actually have sex. To say otherwise is to not only ignore biology, but to ignore the studies done on the subject.</p>
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There’s our problem. Don’t assume that because it doesn’t happen where you live it never happens. I personally know a high school girl who’s pregnant right now, and I know of two others who’ve gotten pregnant. </p>
<p>Sure, you can argue that pregnancy is rare for teens, but sex isn’t.</p>
<p>Bottom line is under the circumstances the kid/boy/w.e was an intruder. The father had every reason to attack him. He is lucky it was just a metal pipe.</p>
<p>AMB, I agree with you. Of course teens have sex. Look at the numbers. They hardly say it’s ‘normal’ – only one-fourth of teens under 16 have had sex.</p>
<p>Also, how many who have did it by sneaking in at 4 in the morning? It may seem intuitive that it’s a majority, but that’s almost certainly not the case (no polls to back this up, sorry). In my limited experience, most people have it during the day, or during the night when they are out of the house. It could be different near you.</p>
<p>The point is that there was absolutely no reason for the father to realize or take the time to consider the possibility that this naked person was actually a 15-year-old sneaking in at 4 to have consensual sex with his daughter.</p>
<p>Okay, what the father did was completely justified. I mean, no father wants their 15 year old daughter having sex, so even if the young man had not been naked at 4 in the morning, the father still would have chased him out of the house violently upon discovering what he was doing with his daughter.
When a father finds out his kid-daughter is doing it with some guy, his initial reaction is probably to kill that guy. Doesn’t matter if he’s 15 or 50 (and of course, the law would be after this guy as well), just get the hell away from my daughter. </p>
<p>The thing is, if this boy believes himself responsible enough to be out having sex with girls at 4 in the morning, he should also be held responsible for any consequences that may result from the aforementioned action, in this case, a head wound (though in most, crabs or possibly a child).</p>
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<p>Well, at the least the other 75% of the population is strong enough to resist sexual temptations.</p>