<p>* She received serious inquiries from all the Ivies, but none of them seemed to want to get down to the dollars and cents…*</p>
<p>The ivies do give NEED-BASED aid to its athletes, so you could have asked for a pre-read of the FA pkg.</p>
<p>The coaches can’t talk money because the ivies don’t give athletic scholarships. The FA office is the place for money talks.</p>
<p>That is a very harsh comment. I understand the process is very competitive and the decision is not just about the scores. I understand the frustration parents feel because i am one. Maybe when you become a parent you will realize that it is not as simple as putting labels on kids and sorting them up like fruits in a basket</p>
<p>^^^^Whose post are you commenting on, silviavaca?</p>
<p>You would be surprised how much “need” an Ivy school can find for an athlete in a prominent sport that a coach really “needs”.</p>
<p>I’ve read those messages with interest. My child has applied for a total of 8 schools, was wait-listed on one, rejected by two, and got into the others. Two were “safety schools”, one is a good LAC, two UCs. He ain’t got a .4 GPA or SAT score over 2000, his ACT was under 30, no college credits. Thanks God I have even forgotten those exact stupid numbers but I had expected this outcome and there have been no surprises. I have found the admissions process to be very consistent across the board but also must point out that students with very high scores tend to apply to schools where every one else also has those scores, and getting in them is more like throwing dice than anything.</p>
<p>“Have the Ivies changed their policy with regard to athletic scholarships?”</p>
<p>They’ll tell you not, of course. But are you surprised to see what has happened at Harvard’s football, basketball, and their other teams in the past several years? Basically, knowing they can’'t get enough good athletes out of full-pays, legacies, international students, sons and daughters of senators and congressmen, and Pell Grantees, they’ve made up this new “need-based” offering whereby they can recruit athletes in the sweet family income spot ($60k-$125k, which is where you’ll find the vast majority of athletes) and charge them very little, and with no loans. </p>
<p>But they’ll never admit to athletic scholarships, or to “merit” scholarships.</p>
<p>I guess I need to tell DS15 to row, row, row his boat ;-)</p>
<p>No. Weight between 300 and 320 and can stand up straight and he;s a shoe-in.</p>
<p>Darn - he stands pretty straight but is only 170 wet - on to Plan B I guess</p>
<p>Force feeding - it’s easier (and less expensive and more effective) than SAT prep.</p>
<p>Someone can google the ways Ivies get around the academic index for athletes. I think the last time I found it, it was self-reported. I am not aware they use it on regular candidates (desite myth.) The whole athlete thing is a mess, imo. Get your girls into crew. Whether athlete’ families are in a sweet income spot depends on the sport.</p>
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<p>I could be surprised. I couldn’t even tell you for sure that Harvard has a football or basketball team. Why do they bother?</p>
<p>Basketball team was 26-5; football team was 9-1; I don’t think either the heavyweight crew or lightweight crew lost a meet all year. All the teams are “turning around” since the new (a-hem) “need-based” policies. Can’t say I blame 'em - they certainly don’t need no more nerds.</p>
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<p>The power of a holistic approach.</p>
<p>quote @lookingforward:
“Someone can google the ways Ivies get around the academic index for athletes. I think the last time I found it, it was self-reported. I am not aware they use it on regular candidates (desite myth.) The whole athlete thing is a mess, imo. Get your girls into crew. Whether athlete’ families are in a sweet income spot depends on the sport.”</p>
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<p>Women’s crew is a great admissions and scholarship sport where applicable. However, like FA it falls into 2 groups: it is either a very tall and solid sport (full pay) or a lightweight sport (high need). If you fall into the vast middle ground of young women who are 5’5" 145 you are usually SOL.</p>
<p>Wow, pretty ingenuous getting around their own agreement. In line with numerous likely letters to admit kids before the agreed-upon Ivy day?</p>
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and what’s happened with their hockey and lacrosse teams … they’ve lost ground. Other than football the AI slots are defined by the league for the school in total … and the school decides how to split the recruiting spots up across sports. Harvard clearly has made a decision to improve it’s basketball program … and frankly it’s a obvious and economical move … it’s a high profile sport and requires a very low number of recruits. Penn and Princeton certainly have gained a lot of positive publicity from their dominance of Ivy basketball over the last 50 years … I’m surprised it took the other schools so long to decide to take them on.</p>
<p>Redistributing AI is within the agreement but creating a preferred FA package to help recruit is a bit much.</p>
<p>True dat about Naviance, except while the high stats people at our school were rejected everywhere LAST year, this year was another story.</p>
<pre><code>Apropos of nothing perhaps: Our BEST application experience was at Alabama. A well run, organized machine, easy application process, constant e mails, snail mail and updates and personal attention. She was offered everything that was promised, plus anything and everything they could find for her. She is not attending due to the distance from home, but still, a wonderful application process, and I can’t say that about many of the other schools.
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<p>While I had to jump some of the postings on this thread because it is too long but informative, I wish to add that there could also be an additional reason why an 'excellent student gets rejected.</p>
<p>If a school has e.g. only 40 spaces for Chemical Eng and 1000 with top grades (2200+ and 3.9GPA) applicants are being considered, the rejection will not seem meaningful to these rejected 900+ applicants whose scores were supposed to be perfect for such schools.
We generally always hear a child was rejected at a top school but not the proposed major.</p>