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<li> Nobody but you and your future classmates will consider Brown (or Darmouth) superior to Cornell and Penn. Nobody. If you need proof, Brown is consistently ranked the lowest Ivy on numerous for profit and not-for-profit rankings.<br></li>
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<p>Sorry. I love Brown and would never say a bad thing about its unique mission, but don’t try to play this superiority card. You’ll get shredded by facts. The significantly more intense rigor of Cornell academically alone eliminates your argument.</p>
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<li> Admissions rates again? So, which school is better - College of the Ozarks (11.8% acceptance) or the University of Chicago (40%)?</li>
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<p>Okay, I’ll admit my perceptions of Cornell were a bit off and you have convinced me. </p>
<p>I just need to explain Brown, which I listed because it seems to be mentioned in the domestic media more than Dartmouth and a few politicians went there. Cornell, Penn, and Dartmouth seem to keep a much lower profile domestically.</p>
<p>Profile domestically is partially related to representation in fields that are given lots of media exposure domestically- for example, Hollywood, TV and politics.</p>
<p>Cornell is relatively more technically-skewed than many other schools that only have liberal arts colleges. There aren’t that many engineers, scientists, architects, etc. whose careers would be likely to contribute a lot to a university’s profile domestically. Though even in these less-publicized endeavors, people like Carl Sagan and Bill Nye were still out there. A number of foreign countries seem to be more into recognition of technical skills, and maybe that’s why Cornell’s profile is relatively high overseas.</p>
<p>Interesting that this comes up in the context of discussing two Cornell grads who are, in fact, in the public eye, in non-technical fields. Though whether these individuals raise the university’s domestic profile, or lower it, is another question.</p>
<p>Your comment about Cornell and Penn being the crappiest Iviess, and then Colm’s sharp reply to you, caused me to look up other posts authored by you.</p>
<p>Look (that’s a new Obamaism) – it is clear you’re in over your head in the competitive environment of Cornell. I know what it is like. My wife and a close friend both attended Cornell in the late 70s… she in Bio, he in … can’t remember… but they both say it was much, much harder than their top ranked graduate schools they later attended.</p>
<p>That’s not a criticism… each person needs to find their fit. If the less competitive environment of Brown appeals to you, fine. I can actually appreciate that having attended Stanford. I wouldn’t have even considered attending Cornell or Berkeley because of their weed-out, competitive reputations back in the day. Cornell seems to have reformed some – be glad about that… the mean GPA at Cornell is a full .4 higher than in the 70s. But you are correct in being attracted to Brown’s median 3.6 gpa vs. Cornell’s current 3.4. Two little tenths makes a huge difference in gpa.<br>
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<p>It is very bad form for a person struggling in a competitive environment to turn around and complain about how crappy it is. How very 12 years old of you.</p>
Or perhaps … just maybe … for New York state residents, who pay much lower tuition in the Ag school, Cornell Ag school represented, by far, the best education/expense offer they received.</p>
<p>RECENTLY, WashU has been ranked slightly ahead of Cornell but it’s academic programs and its reputation have not quite caught up with its artificially-enhanced selectivity. You really have to admire WashU. It was a no-name college 20 years ago and in only a few years they have convinced enough kids that they are now among the leaders in selectivity, even more than many traditionally prestigous schools.</p>
<p>I decided to see what the media pick-up was on this little feud, and sure enough, with all the fact-checking glory of TMZ, a columist at New York Magazine comes up with this:</p>
<p>"See, Ann went to the College of Arts and Sciences, the part of the university that is part of the Ivy League. Keith went to the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences, which is technically a state school. "</p>
<p>She flat out lies and he perpetuates it without a glance at a website.</p>
<p>Then, of course, the bipartisan intellectual clearinghouse “f-france.com” jumped all over it to perpetuate the lie because, as I said earlier, for radical conservatives to claim Coulter lies about one thing would be to acknowledge she may not be right about everything else. So, they make up a school that doesn’t exist to keep the gravy train going:</p>
<p>"Ann Coulter shows that Olbermann went to Cornell agriculture school – not Cornell University – as he constantly claims. This is like “a graduate of the Yale locksmithing school boasting about being a ‘Yale man.’”</p>
<p>We live in an ignorant world. Gotta love it!</p>
<p>With respect to how Coulter, and in turn certain gravy-training tabloid “journalists,” are attempting to mislabel CALS and Cornell … well sometimes rascals who proffer themselves as informed are actually meshuga, ignorant, and/or unscrupulous gossip who*res.</p>
<p>What can folks who actually know the score on an issue like this do? They can keep plugging away on what limited platforms they have, and wait for those with much bigger platforms – like Bill Maher and Keith Olbermann – to robustly set the record straight. They are both relatively smart guys who, while they have their share of foibles, also have some media chops.</p>
<p>Of course, the failings of Keith and Bill are nothing compared to Coulter’s incessant and depraved pigheadedness … or you might prefer to call it unseemly pompous pigheadedness. On second thought, maybe reprobate blarney is the more apt expression.</p>
<p>i read that article with my friends and we all kind of laughed at it. anyone who has a brain (which is everyone at cornell) knows that the ny state affiliated schools are just as much ivy league as the private schools.</p>
<p>ann coulter is just an idiot. this is nothing new.</p>
<p>Dande, both Cornell’s fully endowed, and the partially state supported “contract” colleges, are private. Cornell has limited contractual agreements with the state of NY for those schools while maintaining their fully private status. So, ultimately Cornell is the final arbiter of the decision making process with respect to all of its colleges.</p>
<p>You are right on the mark regarding the idiot you mentioned.</p>
<p>I got into Cornell today. I want to study biological engineering. Reading this article kind of upset me, even though I know Ann Coulter always lies about everything because she needs attention.</p>
<p>Everybody seems to be intentionally missing the real point of Coulter’s rant, which is simply that Olberman is a hypocrite. He is the one who started the smug crap of making fun of someone’s university. There are a lot of really bright people at non-Ivy league schools.
While it is always poor form to attack someone for having gone to a “non elite university”, it
is particularly true when Olberman, who brags incessantly about attending Cornell, is not exactly telling the whole story. While CALS is a good school by most standards, back when he went there, it was not all that selective, and it is still not as selective as the rest of the Ivy league.
If the truth hurts, then quit ridiculing other people because of the schools they attended, just because you don’t agree with their politics.</p>
No, becasue Olbermann isn’t lying - he claims he went to an Ivy league school. CALS is a school at Cornell University, which is Ivy League. Therefore, Olbermann went to an Ivy school.</p>
<p>If Coulter was arguing that CALS is not as selective as CAS, then that might have been valid - but her argument was that Olbermann isn’t a real Ivy grad, which is wrong. Just because he didn’t go to the most selective school at Cornell doesn’t mean he’s not a Cornellian. Penn is known for Wharton - are the Anthropology majors at Penn still Penn students? Of course. Same with CALS at Cornell (and AEM is pretty selective too).</p>
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