<p>Thanks, mathmom.</p>
<p>Nyet. There is no such word as “mulano” in my Spanish-Russian dictionary either. I blame this confusion on sloppy diction and/or slurred speech.</p>
<p>The correct word is “mulatto.”</p>
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this is where I discovered that the term was now considered pejorative. Me bad. Not wrong, just bad. Perhaps I was thinking of mulatto, but mulano is a word too. Lets move on already and stop word-smithing. I won’t blame the confusion on “sloppy diction”. Apology accepted.</p>
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Yes, and I can show you some studies saying smoking is not bad at all. Granted those studies have a strong smoking bias since they are from tobacco makers, but their data clearly supports the statement that smoking is really not bad at all. </p>
<p>What most of those so called “studies” about the death penalty and race of the victim fail to include an analysis of the race of the juries. Data regarding race and victims means nothing until you consider the races of the jurymen and the various jurisdictions of the crimes. In other words, you got nothing at this point to suport your argument other than speculation.</p>
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<p><a href=“http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/FactSheet.pdf[/url]”>http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/FactSheet.pdf</a></p>
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<p>Why the need to describe race in terms of “ugly” and “attractive”? Are all white blondes attractive? Are all Latinos and other races ugly? What’s with the additional adjectives? What’s with CC lately and the obsession with body types, looks, beauty or lack of?</p>
<p>You’re reading my mind, Doubleplay. Too many balding, pony-tailed horndogs on this site. Just my two scents.</p>
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Is there something wrong with calling the recent murder victim,Meredith Emerson, or Lauren Burk or Eve Carson attractive? I think it is kind, and accurate. And is there somewhere where latinos or other races are called ugly? I must have missed that.</p>
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By the way, these victims’ photos have been all over our local paper and news broadcasts for some time now, as these horrific events all happened to residents of this area. They were young attractive women who were brutally killed. What is the issue here???</p>
<p>Come on, that’s not nice. Kluge and I have (God knows) had our problems, but it’s pretty clear he was taking the facts of this specific case and making a point. The victim here WAS an attractive white girl and Kluge was doing that liberal thing and asking if Barrons would be as outraged if she were neither attractive nor white. I’m not sure I buy the argument that minorities are more likely to be executed because of overt racism (flame away), but I do think that when the victim is either minority, ugly, or both, she gets fewer headlines. There was a college woman from Brooklyn who has been missing and she’s not known nationally and I do wonder if it’s because she’s black. As far as the white women who (may they rest in peace) have been murdered, I know their names, faces and biographies.</p>
<p>Well as a red blooded Latin male myself I’d be just as upset if it were </p>
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<p>Zoosermom, when the subject of a thread is “death penalty-worthy creeps” and we have posters who keep talking about the hotness of their daughter’s friends, and then speak of murder victims in the same “attractive blonde” way, what is it that you can not see when others, such as myself, get our panties in a twist, as Kluge always likes to say? From whence are you coming, I just don’t understand your point.</p>
<p>Well said, zoosermom!! </p>
<p>And Barrons- LOL! I was going to make reference to some attractive latin males, but I chose not to, lest it be misconstrued as something it was not.</p>
<p>It just kind of stinks if we can’t describe people as what they are. That’s how so many news reports of police investigations (at least here) lack important descriptive information. It also bothers me that half the population can’t even discuss the other half. The fact that a particular young woman is attractive may be the reason she was abducted/attacked/murdered. I think Elizabeth Smart’s looks were the bait to her psycho.</p>
<p>The media’s fascination with “white women in peril” has been the subject of a lot of commentary. I’ve got to assume that they found that it sells, that that is what interests the public. The disappearance or death of a minority woman, or a male of any race, is far less likely to get media attention than that of a “white woman in peril.” There have been some really heart-wrenching cases of families of missing young minority women trying to get any attention paid at all, while cameras are camped out 24/7 to report the latest twist in a “white women in peril” story somewhere else.</p>
<p>“we have posters who keep talking about the hotness of their daughter’s friends, and then speak of murder victims in the same “attractive blonde” way, what is it that you can not see when others, such as myself, get our panties in a twist, as Kluge always likes to say? From whence are you coming, I just don’t understand your point.”</p>
<p>My point is that I think you (singly and collectively) have taken it too far with Kluge. I often have some bruising battles with him for meanness and I think what’s been done TO him for the last couple of days is downright mean. When it crosses several threads, you’ve got to stop and think about what you’re doing. I’ve posted vis a vis TommyBill and his incarnations that I find that kind of vicousness disturbing. I do, no matter who is doing it and how much I like them, which I do like you and your posts. More than most, I’d like to take a shot at Kluge (which I did before yesterday’s thread was deleted!), but there are some things that shouldn’t be said. I read the thread yesterday and I actually got what he was saying (although I think he set himself up for those shots). Men and women view feminine beauty differently. I see that with my own kids and in general. Women/young girls want thin and almost pre-pubescent bodies, but men prefer curves. I read an article yesterday in which the author explained that most straight men couldn’t tell the difference between a size 4 or a size 14 woman. If women (especially young women) understood that, I wonder what impact that would have because, frankly, that took me up short.</p>
<p>Beautiful, zoosermom, simply beautiful. (oops-- am I allowed to call you, or your words, beautiful 
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<p>Jym, thank you, thank you! I’ve been meaning to start a thread about bullying because (obviously) it’s something that I’m very sensitive about. Who read the NY Times article yesterday? I literally sat up and cried over that last night, I don’t know why it touched my heart but it did. Also made me very angry. I should post it and open it for discussion.</p>
<p>btm, really, you need to give it a rest. I’m sure most of us can see that you’ve got “issues” with Kluge. Couching your disdain for him in these less than subtle attacks are growing tiresome.</p>
<p>Zoosermom, what article is in the NYT? Perhaps a separate thread on whatever itis about would be a good idea. I continue to be puzzled by the fact that its is ok to describe someone as balding and pony-tailed but not as blond and attractive? Seems inconsistent to me. However, I am still in awe of your beyond-eloquent post (#36) above. I referenced it in another thread where a similar kluge attack seemed to be in process. I hope that is allowed. I would also nominate that post for this years “CC Coward” awards. We should resurrect that thread.</p>
<p>Sorry to go off topic. Back to the topic. This creep murdered an elderly couple in North Carolina (actually I think he kidnapped them on a trail in the NC mountains but found the husband’s body in GA) and he abducted and killed a young woman in Ocala, Fla. Whatever they do to him isn’t punishment enough.</p>