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<p>Princeton, MIT Applicants Ignore Call to Ease Admissions Stress
Dec. 15 (Bloomberg) – Marilee Jones, dean of admissions at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, tours U.S. high schools delivering what she hopes will be a wakeup call. The pressure on students to get into top colleges is ruining their health, she says. It’s time to lighten up.</p>

<p>``We are raising the most anxious, sleep-deprived, judged and tested, poorly nourished generation steeped in stress in the universe,‘’ Jones told parents at Manhattan’s Columbia Grammar and Preparatory School in November.

The frenzy Jones worries about climaxes this week as colleges tell students if they've gained early admission. Her message is part of a growing movement among high school and college officials to deflate competition for entrance to top colleges and the anxiety that accompanies it.

A chorus of parents, admissions officers and high school guidance counselors welcomes the counsel. They also say they are skeptical about whether the advice can be followed when it takes ever-higher scores and grades to get in. Cambridge-based MIT rejected 84 percent of its 10,455 applicants last year.

``This sounds great, but if I do it, will my son be at a disadvantage?'' a parent asked Mark Speyer, director of College Counseling at Columbia Grammar and Prep, after hearing Jones speak last month at the $27,000-a-year school on Manhattan's Upper West Side, where 80 of 92 seniors were awaiting word on early acceptance.</p>

<p><code>When we try to preach any instruction to lighten up, we find we usually just aren’t trusted,‘’ says Bruce Poch, 49, dean of admissions and vice president at Pomona College in Claremont, California.</code>They are convinced it’s a trap.‘’</p>

<p>contiinued:</p>

<p>`Too Stressed’

In Wayland, Massachusetts, outside of Boston, the public high school offered students a yoga class last year to alleviate stress.

It didn't work,'' says the school's principal, Charles Ruopp, 54.They said they were too stressed and didn't have the time to go.''

New Trier, a public high school of 4,100 students in Winnetka, Illinois, outside of Chicago, is encountering resistance to a proposal to make a lunch period mandatory and keep students from piling electives into their schedules, says Superintendent Henry Bangser.

In the Boston suburb of Wellesley, the public high school looked for ways to reduce anxiety after the suicides of two students in the past two years, says guidance director Thom Hughart.

Exams Canceled

The school canceled mid-term exams set for January partly to keep students from having to study over the holidays. Last spring, inspired by a talk from MIT's Jones, the school formed a panel that is working to reduce college-admission tension.

The obsession of many students and their parents with getting into top schools isn't easily eradicated, says Denise Pope, a lecturer at Stanford University's School of Education in Stanford, California.

No one wants to be the sacrificial lamb or the first to blink,'' says Pope, 39, the author ofDoing School: How We Are Creating a Generation of Stressed Out, Materialistic, and Miseducated Students'' (Yale University Press, 2001).

To spread her message of calm more widely, MIT's Jones challenges other admissions officers at conferences to be more broad-minded about who gets in.

Do you really need to see kids with all A's?'' Jones said during a College Board conference in New York in November.I'm telling you right now that MIT does not. I beg you to have the courage to admit the best match, not the ones with the perfect scores.''

New Essay

Jones has also reduced the spaces on MIT's application for listing extracurricular activities and has added the essay question: ``What do you do for the pure pleasure of it?''

This week, Jones posted a guest entry on an MIT Web page in which she empathizes with those rejected and discusses her own daughter's current college-admissions anxiety. Hundreds of students and parents, responding on Web sites that picked up the entry, thanked Jones. Others complained that it was disingenuous, with all except 12 percent of early applicants rejected at MIT.

Barbara Gross, an associate vice president for development at Babson College in Wellesley and the mother of a Wellesley High senior, says colleges are partly responsible for creating the stress Jones decries.

``The colleges send messages to the kids to distinguish themselves above and beyond what a normal 17-year-old could presume to accomplish in their short lives, given all the distractions,'' Gross says.

Colleges' Role

Admissions deans such as Jennifer Delahunty Britz of Kenyon College in Gambier, Ohio, say colleges can play a part in ratcheting down stress.

Kenyon, where applications have doubled in five years to 4,000 from 2,000, streamlined its application by removing eight of 24 pages, she says, and tries to make interviews fun by asking students, for example, if they would rather be a pirate or a cowboy.

The University of Chicago encourages personal expression, noting on its application: ``We care about your grades and scores but also about what you read and the movies you like. We want to hear your story.''

Poch, of Pomona, says his staff is trying to be more humane by spreading the word that the college doesn't want a class of hyperactive, high-scoring overachievers. Pomona chose its freshman class of 383 last year from 5,054 applicants.

``The student who actually has a job during the year or the summer and who actually did let his hair down a bit and did breathe is going to look pretty appealing,'' he says.

Dad's Endorsement

Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, told high school students for the first time this year that they may submit an additional recommendation letter from a parent, sibling or friend. ``We really do want to understand them as well as possible as real people, as individuals,'' says Dean of Admissions Christoph Guttentag.

Tension builds immediately for those high school seniors seeking early admission. Colleges such as the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia and Princeton University in Princeton, New Jersey, offer the option. It allows students who are clear on their first choice of college to get an answer early, usually by mid-December. If accepted, the choice is binding.

Because financial aid typically isn't offered to applicants until March or April, less-affluent students often don't have the option of seeking an early decision.

Stanford, which chose its 2005 freshman class of 1,630 from 20,194 applicants, finds that some of its high achievers arrive already burned out, Pope says.

``We have dorms full of stressed-out kids who have mortgaged their adolescence to get in, and they aren't resilient,'' says Pope, a founder of the SOS-Stressed Out Students Project, which counsels schools on alleviating pressures.

Running on Empty

There are people who arrive at college out of gas,'' says William Fitzsimmons, dean of admissions at Harvard College in Cambridge, Massachusetts.It's crazy for students to think in lockstep they must take four or five or six advanced-placement courses because colleges demand it.''

Fitzsimmons and his staff dub some applicants ``summer school warriors'' because they spend every vacation enrolled in academic programs.

``It's not clear they've ever been exposed to fresh air,'' he says.

Harvard posted on its admissions Web site an essay Fitzsimmons co-wrote entitled Time Out Or Burnout For The Next Generation,'' where he worries about the fallout of a fast-track life aimed at getting intothe right'' schools.

`Rigorous Curricula'</p>

<p>Still, Harvard is demanding. Its admissions Web site says: ``The strongest applicants take the most rigorous secondary school curricula available to them.‘’ In addition to four years of English, math and one foreign language, Harvard wants four years of science – biology, chemistry, physics, and an advanced course in one of these subjects.

Harvard accepted only 2,074, or 9.1 percent, of a record 22,796 applicants last year.

Doctors at the American Academy of Pediatrics are concerned about the pressures, says Kenneth Ginsburg, a Philadelphia adolescent-medicine specialist and academy member. Ginsburg is co-writing a book on the topic with MIT's Jones, to be published by the Elk Grove Village, Illinois-based academy.

We worry about eating disorders, mutilation and the consequences of perfectionism,'' says Ginsburg, 43.There is a fear of failure that comes from kids being pushed too hard.''

Nonlethal self-injury such as cutting can arise during puberty and is often associated with low self-esteem, anxiety and depression.

Depression on Rise

Across the U.S., the number of college students diagnosed with depression has increased 56 percent over six years, to 16 percent of students in 2005 from 10 percent in 2000, according to a 2005 study by the Baltimore-based American College Health Association, which represents campus health services.

Ninety percent of those diagnosed in the U.S. with eating disorders such as bulimia or anorexia are adolescents and young women, according to the Eating Disorders Coalition, a Washington advocacy group.

Jones's mental health campaign has been bolstered by Lloyd Thacker, a former college counselor and author of ``College Unranked, Ending the College Admissions Frenzy'' (Harvard University Press, 2003). Thacker's nonprofit Education Conservancy in Portland, Oregon, is receiving support from college presidents and admissions deans.

`Gut-Wrenching Things'</p>

<p>Thacker attracts standing-room-only audiences as he decries college admissions as too commercial and market-driven. He encourages students to forget about impressing others and think about what they are interested in learning.</p>

<p><code>At the private school where I worked, I saw terrible, gut-wrenching things – kids who felt they had to lie about their interests in sports to get in, crying if they didn’t make the top,‘’ says Thacker.</code>These over-polished, over-refined, high-end kids are completely missing it.‘’</p>

<p>The New York suburb of Scarsdale, north of Manhattan, urges seniors to be discreet when they hear from colleges this week, says Principal John Klemme. About three quarters of the seniors applied early, and more than 98 percent go to college.</p>

<p>`We tell them,Some of your peers are going to be very happy, walking around high-fiving their friends, and others are going to be really disappointed,‘’’ says Klemme.

The high school may also eliminate vacation homework and is studying the impact of limiting advanced-placement exams that offer college credit, Klemme says.

At Wellesley High, Gross's daughter, Claire Chazen, 17, says the chill-out message she heard from Jones earlier this year left her skeptical at first.

Mom's Alma Mater

I thought, who is she, coming from one of the most prestigious and hard-to-get-into universities in the country, telling us not to be stressed out about getting in?'' Chazen says.Then I realized what she had to say was valid.''

That hasn't stopped Chazen from using every available advantage -- including SAT tutors and the private college- admissions consultant her parents hired -- to help shape her application to her mother's alma mater, Bowdoin College in Brunswick, Maine.

Chazen has adopted her own anti-stress message to cope with the early-decision news when it comes this week, good or bad. ``My friends and I have a don't-talk-about-it pact,'' she says.</p>

<p>I haven’t been able to figure out why some high schools are so competitive and high-pressure, while other schools are not. My private school would certainly not make those top high school lists, but it is the best school in the region. The thing is, it is not a very stressful environment. Yeah, we get stressed when there are term papers and tests and exams and college decisions, but overall the kids are friendly and the teachers supportive. Some of the teachers have even told us that they came to the school because of it’s more relaxed atmosphere. It doesn’t seem too calm inside, but in comparison to most schools it’s pretty nice.</p>

<p>Maybe it’s because the school is K-12. There are little kids everywhere, which certainly changes the pace a bit. Kids who came in elementary school stay at the school and never turn into 2200 seniors. We’re a good school, but there are a lot of average kids, too. That probably brings the competition down a level. Maybe it’s because the teachers and administration are fantastic, and they truly care about all of the students. The GCs match kids up with colleges where they would be happy and successful instead of pushing them to the most pretigious ones. Maybe it’s because it’s a small school, graduating thirty students a year. You know all your classmates, as well as their strengths and weaknesses. Maybe it’s because sports are required, and yoga is offered. </p>

<p>It seems like these stressful environments are created on the inside, and instead of trying to cover the problems with yoga classes or whatever else, maybe they should take a look at why their students are so stressed and work from there.</p>

<p>``The student who actually has a job during the year or the summer and who actually did let his hair down a bit and did breathe is going to look pretty appealing,‘’ he says.</p>

<p>So now, many will try to follow Poch’s “advice” and get a job IN ADDITITON to everything else they’re doing! They are already. :o</p>

<p>This is all so true - Our kid’s senior year is virtually usurped by college admissions, no matter how hard they may not want that - at least for those hoping to go to competetive colleges. Multiple tests, which are longer and harder, interviews, multiple essays, and multiple college visits are just the minimum even for those who don’t take test prep or only take each test once, like mine. Add to that whatever anxiety comes from worry about acceptances and all the choices involved, when does one have time to breathe (as schoolwork and activities don’t give a time-out.)<br>
Many of the teachers at my son’s school would love to offer some interesting senior seminars second semester, but complain that the colleges want to see the full load for the full year, especially for the kids taking the AP courses. The school is actually considering dropping the APs - but the parents are worried it will hurt their kids in the college scramble.
I’ll be interested in reading some of the statistics next year. Will Poch and his committee continue to choose kids whose tests are all above 700, or will a 650 or two be allowed? Will MIT truly take kids who haven’t shown extreme interest in math/science since they were 2 years old? I sympathize with the student-doubters. The only ones, so far, who seem to get away with not being “everything” are the student athletes. They’re usually allowed a tiny bit of imperfection.</p>

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They will, and they have, at least for the past few years. Several of the current crop of MIT student bloggers (there are 9 of them, whose blogs are accessible down the center column at my.mit.edu) stress that they were <em>not</em> math/science geeks/whizzes/obsessed when accepted. They had the foundations to take the MIT science/math core and succeed, but were notably <em>not</em> techies before attending.</p>

<p>“Will MIT truly take kids who haven’t shown extreme interest in math/science since they were 2 years old?”</p>

<p>I agree with mootmom. But I’d go even further. This question IMO misses the point. The question presupposes that the goal of the process is to get into MIT or its ilk. But IMO that should not be the goal, or even a goal, of the process. The goal IMO (imprecisely and briefly stated) is to raise exemplary human beings who find their own place in the world. That place should not be predefined and limited by parents or anyone else to a slot at a top five or ten or twenty or fifty school.</p>

<p>well my D didn’t take any Sat prep classes- no CTY classes except for one in 8th grade- no AP classes or tests- really all her academic stuff was pretty much limited to school- she took 5 academic classes a year- 2 elective arts courses.
summer activities were volunteering @ the zoo
no sports to speak of except for track spring senior year
she took a year off after high school to volunteer.
But still even though I thought that she was relatively happy in high school and she wasn’t pushing herself and I wasn’t pushing her too much- she says she was unhappy 5 years later.
I really worry about the kids who seem unhappy now- if it took my D 5 years to say she was unhappy- how long will it take these other kids to decompress?</p>

<p>I am completely convinced that Ms. Jones has the right message. I am also completely convinced the audience focus and timing is wrong.</p>

<p>If you want a different outcome and experience for all the overstressed overworked overcommitted 17 year olds out there, the solution is not to talk with a bunch of 15 or 16 year olds and get them to change their aspirations, goals, habits, etc… Yoga doesn’t work if you don’t have the time for it…Furthermore, it is just a bandaid, albeit a relatively innocuous one. </p>

<p>The solution is to talk with the parents of 5 year olds and 8 year olds. Ms Jones notes “We are raising the most anxious, sleep-deprived, judged and tested, poorly nourished generation steeped in stress in the universe”</p>

<p>Not surprising, given that they are being raised by the most 'anxious, sleep deprived, judged and tested…steeped in stress" generation of parents! </p>

<p>Did your mother or father read every book that came down the pike telling them how to be a better parent, raise kids with a higher IQ or EQ, or feel constantly judged on the basis of their child’s acheivements? Probably not nearly to the extent that you do.</p>

<p>Of course this is all a matter of magnitude and degree. Some will claim that this is the way their kids want it…that they have nothing to do with the pressure the kids feel- that it is all self imposed. I am sorry, I think that when you start bringing your kids to competitive sports matches, scheduling all their play time and laying on the need to be well rounded when a kid is 6…this is the outcome. </p>

<p>Children internalize the messages of their parents long before they know where Harvard is. Ms. Jones message is important and it is necessary, but it is hardly sufficient.</p>

<p>Very good points, robym. I’d have to agree. I don’t think talking to the parents of 5 year olds would help all that much, though, as it seems things are getting crazier earlier and earlier.</p>

<p>Did your mother or father read every book that came down the pike telling them how to be a better parent, raise kids with a higher IQ or EQ, or feel constantly judged on the basis of their child’s acheivements? Probably not nearly to the extent that you do.
no they certainly did not- however because they did not- I was having to find my own way- and I found the advice books to be very helpful and supportive</p>

<p>My oldest- in fact both my kids were in organized activities from babyhood. It was great :slight_smile: I was in co-op preschools with each girl, it gave me support by hooking me up with other parents- it gave my daughters a ready set of peers to play alongside and with, and the parent educator that held conversations every week while the kids were playing was a wonderful resource.
In contrast- my mother left us with her mother- who stuck us in the crib/playpen while she cleaned the house and my mother did errands.
The books and classes may seem too much to some, but no one is expecting that you follow all of them- for the parents who appreciate their guidance they can handle a bit of being overwhelmed at the bookstore</p>

<p>I don’t think it’s all or nothing, emeraldkity-
Preschools are wonderful things, especially if they focus on socialization and play. The parental support is one of the best perks!
Several “academic” preschools have sprung up where I live, where teaching kids to read and write by age 5 is part of the curriculum. In kindergarten, our public schools are also expecting kids to read and
write. Parents not only put up with this, they demand it.
Many in this generation of parents are perhaps too achievement oriented when it comes to their children, even though these expectations are given with love and the best of intentions.</p>

<p>I dont think it is all or nothing either, but that is the way that some articles are written- because then it provokes a stronger response</p>

<p>I do agree that there are a subset of the most aware- competitive- wealthy parents, who to simplify their intentions seem to act as if they could “buy” a well rounded, healthy , “successful” child.
My daughter attended the same elementary that Bill Gates and others with similar job titles but not his income send their kids to. It actually started as more of a cooperative type school, but with busy- busy parents, they began allowing families to pay money instead of doing hours at the school, and eventually dropped the required hours altogether. When she attended there it was really a great school, very experiential, lots of involvement of families including grandparent day and even “pet day” ( which she enjoyed very much but which was shortlived). But even when she was in 4th & 5th gd it was changing, the parents coming into the preschool were much more focused on performance especially measurable performance.
While the school is struggling to retain its integrity, I admit it is difficult when faced with increasingly high levels of expectation.</p>

<p>Your D’s preschool sounds a lot like the one my son (and I ) belonged to - except that it’s still a coop and still requires the hours of help in the classroom. No reading or writing - lots of outdoor activity, stories, sharing, arts and crafts, snacks, and home at lunchtime - pretty much what kindergarten used to be like when we went to school. Those were wonderful years- nothing to prove, no assessments except in “getting along.” Learning how to interact with other kids when you’re still a very egocentric little being is harder than it sounds and well worth the investment of a couple of early years!</p>

<p>Is it any wonder that we are likely to be skeptical about these comments? The Adcoms set the rules of the game, set the admissions standards and criteria. They look for kids who excel at everything and in addition have special interests and passions. How can they keep a straight face in saying it would be better if the kids were more balanced and less stressed? Maybe they want to include psychological testing next. They want to select kids who “fit” but they can’t tell us what that means. Maybe they would be better off setting some minimum standards and then having a lottery.</p>

<p>but we are the ones who have made it desirable.</p>

<p>We( consumers) are the ones who decide that we must have an xbox the day they come out- we decide that a “name” college is worth the money we have to pay, even to go into debt or 2nd mortgage our house.</p>

<p>We decide that we have to have a larger house than is reasonable given our needs and the economy- or car or yet another trophy husband ( oh wait…)</p>

<p>IMO- an highly competitve school is just another commodity, that the highly competitive are competing for.
I realize that once you get into the competitive mind set it can be difficult to stop.</p>

<p>But I have also read posts about top students who applied to highly competive schools and were deferred, but are now very happy attending their 10th choice school.
I also read posts about kids who have Bs or even Cs! and are attending good schools.</p>

<p>Maybe its because I live on the left coast and I fashion myself a rebel, but I could really have not cared less that my daughter didnt’ want to attend an “east coast” school, or one that was highly competitive for entrance.</p>

<p>Despite that she could have done well there, despite that we did make sacrifices K-12 so that she could attend top private schools that seemed designed for getting kids into top colleges.</p>

<p>To me- the education wasn’t about “getting in” to a top college- it was .
about the education.While there may be limited choices where you live for K-12 , for college the choices are almost infinite.</p>

<p>Even if you picked 5 colleges out of a hat- I bet one of them, your child could be very happy at.</p>

<p>We picked 5 colleges that were in our regional area, even though her top choice was a reach, it wasn’t a needle in a haystack like 20% admit rate ( although admittedly, both her elementary & middle/high school had lower admit rates- but we didn’t really realize it at the time because she had always been admitted where ever she applied- I seriously am so glad I didn’t realize)</p>

<p>So the above is what my advice would be to most people- look for what is good for you- not to paraphrase Einstein “pay whatever amount of money necessary so your grandparents can tell their friends you go to Princeton”.</p>

<p>I do recognize that some people, like a friend of a friend, who is a federal judge, wont even hire clerks unless they are from an Ivy school, even though she didn’t herself attend an Ivy. She rationalizes that she has to have some way to weed them out.
But I refuse to believe that everyone, is like that- that a name matters more, or even as much as the person.
I really believe in hardwork and serendipity.
There isn’t just one path of success.</p>