Answers sought in death outside Wal-Mart

<p>Answers sought in death outside Wal-Mart </p>

<p>Man accused of theft begged to be let up from hot pavement, witness says </p>

<p>By ROBERT CROWE and S.K. BARDWELL </p>

<p>Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle </p>

<p>A man suspected of shoplifting goods from an Atascocita Wal-Mart — including diapers and a BB gun — had begged employees to let him up from the blistering pavement in the store’s parking lot where he was held, shirtless, before he died Sunday, a witness said. </p>

<p>An autopsy for the man, identified as Stacy Clay Driver, 30, of Cleveland, was scheduled for Monday, but officials said results probably would be delayed by a wait for toxicology tests. </p>

<p>Driver’s family, as well as one emergency worker, are questioning company procedure, including whether Wal-Mart workers administered CPR after they realized he needed medical attention. … </p>

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<p>Store employees handcuffing someone could be a real problem, whether he shoplifted or not.</p>

<p>Surely employees ought to be trained to call police rather than perform a lengthy citizen’s arrest. Where were the police, and what right did these employees think they had to restrain someone without any authority or proof?</p>

<p>At first I was all excited; I thought the thread read:</p>

<p>“Answers sought in the Death of Wal-Mart”</p>

<p>Anyhow, what a horrible thing to happen.</p>

<p>I have heard of this sort of thing before at a Kmart, a man being restrained so violently that he died . It’s a rough world out there. It also was a big news story. I’m so sorry. Better to go to a church when in dire need than shoplift.</p>

<p>There are no bargains in a non union shop…my condolences to the families involved. Imagine getting $7.50 an hour for taking a life over diapers.</p>

<p>I won’t shop at Walmart. Ever. Even if they gave things away for free or paid me to take stuff. I won’t walk across its doors. I have a large list of reasons why.</p>

<p>I can imagine that working there can get frustrating at times, and I am watching to see what happens with the class action suit they are fighting with regards to discrimination.</p>

<p>cgsmom</p>

<p>Over 2000 posts…congratulations.</p>

<p>Wooohoooo. I need a life…</p>

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<p>Wow, they tackled him, put a knee to his neck, and more…well what a mess</p>

<p>Maybe we could all go into our local Wal Marts, stand in the center of the store and look for the fire exit signs. Then write the fire marshall and ask him if these signs are supposed to be visible…I bet these stores don’t meet fire code. Look how high they stack their shelves…an accident waiting to happen.</p>

<p>I don’t know about you, but I personally do not remember the last time I was tackled, hand-cuffed, and held to the ground while exiting a Wal-Mart or any other store. Perhaps the shoplifting and refusing to cooperate with authorities in the store after the man was caught were somewhat related to the subsequent tragic events that obviously got way out of hand, with employees making a number of terrible decisions.</p>

<p>No one here or elsewhere has opined that shoplifting should be punished with the death penalty, and it is highly unlikely that any of the employees had that intent. Somehow I doubt that the “Wal-Mart Manual for Man-Handling Suspected Shoplifters” recommends holding a man to the hot pavement until he dies and then stalling before calling for paramedics. Most of us expect the man’s family to sue and to hope for a large settlement. </p>

<p>I will continue to occasionally and fearlessly shop at Wal-Mart, Home Depot, and other “evil” stores (i.e. those that offer large selection at competitive prices), but I will try to avoid the behaviors that apparently triggered this event. For those who have used this as an opportunity to rail against Wal-Mart, I have a few questions:</p>

<p>Should any store have the right, at least under some conditions (e.g. an employee witnesses shoplifting), to inspect your bags before you exit?</p>

<p>Should a store be permitted only to ask a suspected shoplifter to admit that he/she stole items and then to please return them? </p>

<p>If a suspected shoplifter denies that he/she has stolen anything, should he/she simply be released and the police called? (i.e. bags not searched)</p>

<p>Should police be required to investigate every suspected shoplifting incident?</p>

<p>How much would it cost (in terms of time and money) for the police to investigate a single shoplifting incident? Who should pay for this investigation (the store or the community)?</p>

<p>Should stores just be required to write-off all shoplifting losses for all but completely cooperative suspects?</p>

<p>Should this last rule only apply to “evil” stores, such as Wal-Mart?</p>

<p>How much would a store lose if it simply used the honor system for prosecuting shoplifters? </p>

<p>Should stores be required to hire in-house uniformed police officers and detectives to investigate all shoplifting incidents? Should the police officers be armed? Should they have handcuffs?</p>

<p>Would you want to have a job as a “security guard” in any store, mall, etc., where you do not have a gun but you must deal with potentially combative shoplifters? Do you think under these conditions, especially as you were dealing with a particularly combative person, that you might ever make a judgment error?</p>

<p>In my opinion, this story is tragic not only for the alleged shoplifter who died, but also for the others who were involved. Do you really think any of them wanted to kill this man? Now they have to deal with not only their own consciences regarding the man’s death, but some may also face very serious criminal charges. </p>

<p>Perhaps the families of the involved workers should sue the family of the suspected shoplifter for initiating this event (although according to Mr. B, the real reason for the tragedy is apparently that the store is not unionized and that it does not have clearly labeled “Exit” signs, unless I misunderstood his logic).</p>

<p>Alleged, alleged alleged…a person died and you don’t care? My goodness, let my D take a dare and go into Walmart and steal a lipstick…</p>

<p>“Arizona reports number of Walmart employees on medical assistance - 08/04/05
By Jesse Russell
The state of Arizona is the most recent state to weigh-in with numbers showing that Wal-Mart has the most employees on the states healthcare rolls. Taxpayers pay for the healthcare of more than 2700 Wal-Mart employees and dependents. In 12 out of 13 states reporting, Wal-Mart is the number one employer with workers on state Medicare plans.”</p>

<p>Good thing they pay so well…</p>

<p>Fromt he Houston Chronicle:</p>

<p>The International Association of Professional Security Consultants recommends that retail security personnel do not strike, tackle, sit on a suspect, or engage in any contact that might cause physical injury.</p>

<p>"“No merchandise is of such value as to justify physical injury to a suspect,” the association states in its “Best Practices” section of its Web site. </p>

<p>Witherspoon always informs his clients that struggling with combative suspects can lead to death by “positional asphyxiation.”</p>

<p>“This can happen when someone is on top of a suspect who’s face-down with hands handcuffed behind their back,” he said. “This prevents them from breathing, and they suffocate.”…</p>

<p>"The company, however, is widely known for its aggressive prosecution of shoplifters, said Sgt. Jeff Stauber of the Sheriff’s Department burglary and theft division. </p>

<p>Its aggressiveness also has led to a number of civil lawsuits for false imprisonment and malicious prosecution."…</p>

<p>I will never go into any Walmart, ever. If you shop there, think about their relationship with the Chinese Government and its policies. Yes, the world is connected.</p>

<p>During my college days, I worked as a “stockboy” for a nearby outlet of a national discount mass-merchandise chain (how’s that for not naming names). Among our many duties, was helping out security in the event a shoplifting incident got out of control. At the miniscule wage I was being paid, there was no way I was going to put my body and life on the line to stop a shoplifter or group of shoplifters.</p>

<p>Sure enough, I became friendly with the store security guy. He was a great guy working hard to do his job. One evening, he stopped a guy leaving the store with a tv that was stolen with the cooperation of the person running the checkout, i.e. ringing the tv up for $2.98 instead of $298.00. Three of the shoplifter’s buddies were waiting for him in the parking lot. Now its 4 on 1 and the 1 was a friend of mine and the four are swinging tire irons, etc. What do you do? You go help your friend. Thankfully the police showed up before we really got into it. I had to tackle a guy though.</p>

<p>On the way out the store that night after work I told the manager, “Never again.”</p>

<p>What am I trying to say? The Walmart incident was terrible, but don’t for a minute think that shoplifting is an “innocent” or “victimless” crime. Shoplifting is a tremendous problem for all retailers in this country.</p>

<p>Before making a judgment, I suggest that we wait for all the information surrounding the incident to come out, either in the press or more likely a trial, be it civil or criminal.</p>

<p>BTW, I can’t stand Walmart either.</p>

<p>Of course shop lifting is not victimless. But to have untrained people tackling alleged criminals seems pretty scary to me.</p>