Any burning questions about MIT application process?

Hi! So I’m an incoming freshman to MIT (Class of 2019 represent!) and I was just wondering if anyone had any burning questions about the MIT or college application process (since I just did it last fall). I remember last year I was on CC a lot before my senior year started.

I’m not going to post my essays so don’t ask, but I can give a few tips/things I wish I’d done. :slight_smile:

A bit about me;
I was an IB kid (finding out about that diploma tomorrow; eek!) from a large public HS and middle class family. I’m a proud first generation college student and I’m going in for EECS. During HS I was really involved in a lot of peer counseling programs for student support and I was pretty artistic; I led my school’s video crew and I was first chair sax in marching band and a props designer. With IB I did a lot of CAS stuff and I founded my own club in 10th grade that used art and technology to develop different service projects. I taught abroad last summer in Mexico before my senior year and I’ve done a lot of data and website administration.

Stats (because you people love stats on here):
ACT (breakdown): 34 Composite 34M, 36R, 33E, 34S
SAT II (subject, score): 760 Math L2, 740 Bio E
Unweighted GPA (out of 4.0): 4.0
Weighted GPA: 4.75
Top 1%
IB Diploma Candidate
Took Calc BC (got a 4), Calculus 3, Diff Eq, AP Stats

Accepted EA, so I didn’t submit my other apps with the exception of the UC schools and doing a Carnegie Mellon interview because they were due before MIT decisions came out (but I withdrew them once I got into MIT). Obviously MIT was my first choice.

Anyways, I’m not an expert or anything, but I did the application process without a lot of help from my parents, so comment questions and I’ll try my best to answer! :slight_smile:

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@CaliCash it was honestly amazing! I actually clicked the button two minutes early on accident and it was there, so I kept refreshing because I was in shock and thought I had gotten the wrong decision somehow for clicking early. I took a screenshot instantly just in case! But it got more real by the second and there was a lot of screaming and happy crying and I made my mom read it to me out loud to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating. By far one of (if not the) happiest moment in my life :slight_smile:

Excited for REX?

(Tip: do not buy food during REX)

I’m so excited for REX!! hoping to live at MacGregor, fell in love with it during CPW. And I don’t plan on it. :slight_smile: gotta love the free eats! I didn’t spend any money on food over CPW.

@2015Comp nice…I was actually temped in MacGregor but decided to move out due to a few reasons. But it’s good if you want a single.

Hey, MIT has always been my dream school. However, lately I’ve been thinking thinking I shouldn’t apply because I won’t have a chance(because of my “low” ACT score). Here are my stats:
Class Rank:1
GPA:4.0(uw) 5.0(w)
ACT: 32
I do handful of various clubs and varsity sports as well. By no means I’m I fishing for compliments, but it seems like every cc post I read, I get more depressed. I hear about all these people who got 34+ and 2300+ on the ACT and SAT with similar stats who get flat out rejected. I’m proud of my accomplishments in high school thus far, but it almost seems like all the time I spent working hard went to waste. Yes, my class rank and GPA are impressive compared to most, but my ACT is a good below average for these top tier schools like MIT. Ever since I was a freshman, I only planned on attending one of these school. So in you’re honest opinion is it even worth applying? I’d rather you be blatant than make me feel better. If I were to apply, what is MIT looking for? What do you think they noticed in you?

@JackLuzzy
APPLY!!! DO IT!!! You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
For MIT here are stats http://mitadmissions.org/apply/process/stats, the midrange being 33-35. You’re at 32. That’s SO close and because it’s a mid range that means there are people below and above. So you’re within range. Don’t listen to CC, go to the source!

And honestly, I was riding a 32 on my ACT until the fall when I was applying when I got my 34, so I applied still thinking I had a 32. Same for my SAT 2 scores, which definitely shot up by 40 points. So I would definitely recommend retaking and having them sent. MIT only considers the highest scores, so literally this can’t hurt you. Almost everyone I know has had scores go up with retesting. And once again, you are so close!

You can also apply RA and then have your scores then too plus be eligible for more tests!

Honestly, in my honest opinion, I think it’s worth applying. Mostly because I applied and my rank was way lower than yours and my scores only shot up at the last minute and you’re in the ballpark.

As for what MIT is looking for…that’s the hard question. I think, if it had to be anything, it’d be narrowed down to two components.

  1. Passion. They want to see something that drives you and makes you wake up early and go to bed late. And it doesn't necessarily have to be one thing. MIT kids are beyond committed to what they do. And a lot of times they do things that aren't just what they "have to" or "should" be doing. These are the things that should sparkle in your essays. The things the interviewer can tell that you are passionate about. These are the things you annoy your friends with because you will literally not shut up about the awesome.
  2. They look for different things in different people. MIT is very team oriented, so they find a class with people who have strengths in different arenas and personalities that make them all gel. Looking back, I like to think that the admissions panel tries to find the thing that every applicant has and the ones that work the best together and the ones that shine the brightest are selected. And that thing doesn't have to be mind blowing or perfect scores.

What did they see in me? Oh geez…I really don’t know.
I’ve wanted to go to MIT since I was 8. And I told them about that. I told them how much I loved about MIT; the culture, the people, the opportunities, and what the institute stood for. I made my application extremely specific to MIT and I talked about how MIT was an inspiration for me growing up and I remember specifically saying that, even if I didn’t get in, I would be ok with that. Because thanks to MIT and all of the information and inspiration I had found in it, I would be the first person in my family to go to college and that was a huge deal.
I talked about how much I loved to code, how I started because for the first time my love of visual arts and love of logic came together with programming. I talked about ridiculous things I’ve done for club recruitment. I talked about my family and my friends and just everything. I think the MIT admissions panel knows more about me than my cat, and I talk to my cat constantly.
So I think, for me, what they saw was someone who loved learning and loved their community and would do whatever they could to add to it. Someone who cares about other people and writes long answers to strangers because they know what it’s like to be behind that screen and constantly compare themselves and eat too much cookie dough because of said comparing (avoid cookie dough and CC together; bad combo!). I think they saw my initiative; I took a lot of risks in high school and I did a lot of my own things instead of pre-set activities. I also did what I wanted to do. I hate Science/Math Olympiad. Ew. Not fun. Why?! So I made videos in high school and painted props. I didn’t gun for an internship or program before my senior year because I had the time of my life playing multiplication games with little girls in Mexico.
I also remember specifically the soul in my essays. Not gonna lie, I ended up crying after I wrote some of my essays because I wrote things down I’d never written before and realized how much I’m going to miss some of the people and things that have made me who I am. My essays sounded like me. My application was me. And I think MIT really bought into me because of that.
That and I talked about baking and they were probably really hungry, so who knows!

Also, it’s important to not apologize for your “weaknesses” in applications. Play to your strengths and own them! You can’t do anything about them now.

At the end of the day, it’s not about why you got in somewhere, but what you do with it. And I encourage you to remember that.

So, tl;dr: APPLY TO MIT!!! And other competitive schools. Because it’s worth it and you never know.

PS: If you’re looking for other schools, I am a strong proponent of Carnegie Mellon. They are amazing and have a quirky culture much like MIT. Had I not gotten into MIT I would have definitely gone to CMU had they accepted me (I never found out because I withdrew my application). Also Michigan and Ohio and NYU are super solid for CS. Oh and CalPoly!

And good luck! :slight_smile: Hope this helps! :slight_smile:

Do you think that not having prestigious STEM achievements like USAMO, RSI etc. would hurt an applicant to MIT? I’m thinking of applying as an economics major but since MIT is so math/science oriented I don’t know if that’s a good idea. Although I’m studying the math and sciences in school (good grades as well), I don’t think I’d like to pursue a STEM degree (I’m more a business oriented person) so do you think I’d be a good fit for MIT in terms of admissions and the actual experience?

First of all, congratulations on your acceptance!

I see you’ve taken calculus 3/diff EQs. Was this at a local college or at your high school? If at your local college, do you think it played a significant role in your acceptance? I’m considering doing it as well, but I wanted to know if it was work sacrificing a “light AP” course such as AP Government.

Also, how much does rank factor into your decision? I go to a relatively small school in an over-represented state (TX), and I’m ranked 5-6 out of 70, which is still top 10% but doesn’t seem too impressive given the class size. Do you think that as long as you’re in top 10%, MIT won’t really care about the exact rank or percentile?

Oh wow, this thread is awesome. Thanks for taking the time to give extremely well thought-out responses. I’m planning to apply next year, as a junior. Did you happen to meet any of the eary admit kids this year? Last years group was almost exclusively IMO/IBO winners but for a few years before that there were a few with awards that lined up more with my own (ISEF, GSF, etc.).

@blu5959
Not having prestigious STEM stuff is actually not a big deal. Myself and a lot of other admits didn’t have them.
And trust me, humanities is very much alive at MIT. I’m actually looking into doing a second humanities major in CMS and attaching business somehow too. :slight_smile: I went to a business event during CPW and there are a lot of pure economics and business majors at MIT and they do very well. It’s an excellent place to be for business and economics! Also MIT doesn’t favor one major over the other; so definitely apply with what you’re truly interested in!

@AnEpicIndian
Thank you :slight_smile:
I took Calc 3 and Diff Eq at UCCS Online http://www.uccs.edu/~mathonline/
It was a really great experience! I think it definitely helped my application because it showed initiative. Mostly, though, it helped me because now I feel way more prepared for college STEM classes and I’m getting credit so the only math I have to take at MIT is 6.042: Mathematics for Computer Science. So that’s nice. I would definitely recommend doing math if you are able to. What I did was I took a free hour (called “late start”) in my HS schedule and did my math then and I only had 5 classes at HS and my math class. This just helped me from getting overwhelmed. So I’d look into that as well.
I don’t think rank is super important. I was pretty high percentile at my school, but my graduating class was 600 people and the IB program (50 seniors) was very small and it wasn’t that hard to be top percents if you had all As in AP/IB classes. Also my rank wasn’t as high because of non weighted classes like video and marching band (why is marching band a class at my school?! I don’t know.). But a lot of people were in the same situation. Also your counselor talks about your school not just in your letter, but in your school profile. So I wouldn’t stress too much. GPA is a more accurate caliber and I think it’s weighed more heavily because they look at what classes you took and how you performed.
also I noticed I accidentally put 1% but I was actually 2%. My bad, typos happen and you forget this stuff when you graduate. But I found Part 1 of my MIT app and I had to put top 5% on it because I was 2% and I was still admitted. So yea. My bad! :slight_smile:

@berkinit2021
I was actually unaware non-seniors could apply until you commented! If there are people who got in a year early, I don’t think it’s that advertised. I mean, once you’re accepted and start going to CPW, etc people don’t really care about high school as much as you might think. At least not at MIT. I know none of my classmates asked me a lot about high school. But adults will and so will younger people, but that’s to be expected. If one more woman stops me at the grocery store and asks for my ACT though, I’m gonna explode.
I know a lot of internationals are younger because they finish earlier there, so you wouldn’t be the youngest.
Here’s a blog about it: http://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/doogie_howser_et_al
It seems like you aren’t given precedence and are expected to compete with the seniors. So tread carefully! Remember that this includes things like essays and interviews too, which another year might help craft so you can better reflect on your experiences.
Also I’m sure your acronyms are really impressive but the only one I know is IMO because one of my MIT friends is in Thailand right now for IMO. Sorry; I didn’t do any of those competitions in HS so I can’t tell you what’s good and what’s not and how much it will affect admissions.
But honestly, junior year was a huge catalyst for me and senior year was really fun and a one year difference isn’t going to get you that far ahead. So unless circumstances exist that you must apply early, I would really recommend waiting and applying as a senior if you can. That’s just my opinion.
However some schools like CMU have specially designed admission programs for juniors, but many are binding.

Good luck to you all and thanks for the great questions! :smiley: Hope these help! :slight_smile:

@2015comp Thanks for the detailed response! If you don’t mind me asking, what do you think made you and other admits who didn’t have these awards stand out? I mean, it seems that everyone who applies to MIT has great academics/test scores, essays and recs so I thought that having these prestigious STEM awards would be the best way to distinguish myself. From reading admission blogs etc. it also seems that MIT especially values these STEM competition awards. By the way, I’m especially glad to hear that business and the humanities are also valued at MIT! Do a lot of students major in business/econ at MIT or are they usually combined math/science majors? I’m just worried that going to MIT as a pure econ major would not provide the best experience simply because of the heavy STEM focus.

I’m an international student from Australia if that affects anything regarding admissions etc.

@blu5959 Not a problem! Hope they help :slight_smile:
Your awards will definitely help distinguish you, especially with how many you have. They’ll be a huge strength and speak to your dedication and STEM abilities. I don’t know that much about them, but I know that they’re very hard to get and very respected as they should be. So hats off to you! :slight_smile:
For majors, I think it’s a good mix of both. I met more pure econ than pure business majors though, but combinations are very popular at MIT. While your core major group won’t be as large as some of the engineering majors, you definitely won’t be alone. :slight_smile: Here’s the registrar’s breakdown: http://web.mit.edu/registrar/stats/yrpts/index.html there are definitely a lot less of you than Engineering majors, but that can be good. And there are a lot of people that do joint or minors, so that can help too.
Personally, because STEM is shaping the economy and because of the strength of Sloan, I would figure MIT would be a great place to be in econ. So many networking opportunities! Also smaller departments mean you have less competition for research positions and TA/RA-ships and you can really foster close relationships with faculty and your peers. There are so many financial firms right in Boston and only two (ok, more like three or four unless you’re super lucky) hours away is New York and Wall Street. Not sure if you’ve ever been to the states, but MA and NY are very close together. Well, compared to anything on the West Coast where I’m from. That’s just my two cents. But once again; not an expert!
MIT does not weigh your application based off your major, so if you’re passionate about econ, put that down. A lot of people change majors and you can’t declare till your sophomore year, so they don’t admit based off quotas. Which is really nice.

As far as standing out, activities are important. Having things that you’re passionate about and show your initiative. I think that was really important for me and my application. If there is one common thread between everyone in my class it’s that we all have at least one thing that makes us go to bed late and wake up early. And that can be anything. Also your essays and how you come through as a person. The MIT admissions process is about finding a class that will work together, so they look for all types of different personalities and experiences. MIT is a very collaborative place, so they can’t admit all of the same types of people. And the interview can definitely help! If there isn’t an alumni in your area (you’ll find this out during the application process, it’ll be in your MyMIT account), definitely try for a Skype interview.
As far as being international, that definitely does make a difference. Because I’m not international, I don’t know exactly, but I know it is harder to get in, just because they can’t admit as many of you. This is because of aid since non-US Citizens can’t get aid from our government, so international aid comes from MIT’s endowment. If you haven’t already, check this out: http://mitadmissions.org/apply/international/howto
BTW; I definitely encourage you to spend tons of time on the admissions site and blogs if you haven’t already :slight_smile:
However, still apply and give your best application! :slight_smile: Never let the stats weigh you down; you can only control yourself and do your best. But definitely have some backups and know that the international competition is tough.
Good luck! :slight_smile:

How important are AP scores when you’re trying to get admitted to MIT? (not considering the credit it can give)

Specifically, lets say that I had a lot of APs throughout my high school career and that my scores were all 4’s and 5’s. How much would it help if some of those 4’s became 5’s instead?

Not so important. Besides for your activities which is how you demonstrate your passion i think the other most important component of your application are your essays. Please don’t retake AP’s. There are much better ways to spend your time.

@wongl0786 I agree with @rothstem. I didn’t take a lot of APs in high school because I was in IB, but I didn’t even have my IB scores when I was applying for college (I just got my IB Diploma this week!). So I don’t think they’re as important and probably aren’t worth retaking, unless you need to qualify for a scholarship or something. Also different schools have different credit policies, so definitely look into those! :slight_smile: But for admissions purposes, I don’t think they’re as important and I couldn’t see them penalizing you for 4s. However good scores can always help and show ability!

So I wouldn’t worry!

Good luck!

This thread is so helpful!
I’m planning to apply to MIT and a handful of other schools in the same sort of range this fall, and am worried about ECs. My ACT is a 32C, but I’m retaking in September and am practice testing at a 33-35 range at the moment. I’ve taken two or three science classes every year just because I wanted to. Pretty much everything I’ve done out side of school has been because I wanted to: I go horseback riding all the time, I raise and train show cattle all year every year, I volunteer several hours a week at a therapeutic riding stable, I work on my family’s farm, etc. My problem is that I always went all out in class to satisfy my science geekery and did all my rough and tumble cowgirl stuff outside of class, so I don’t really have anything to show for STEM related ECs. I’m super passionate about chemistry and love physics and math, but I mostly just read intensively about it in my room for hours on end. It seems to me that MIT is pretty good about this sort of stuff, but I would love some first-hand experience in what they would think of this.

You don’t need STEM EC’s to get accepted into MIT. They are looking for a diverse class not a bunch of identical students all interested in the same things. Yes, you need to prove that you can handle the rigorous STEM required classes but they don’t have to be your main interests.