Any fans of natural cures?

<p>Have any of you been familar with the book 'Natural Cures * They * Don’t want you to know about? If you haven’t known by now my fiancee has secondary progressive MS and the BS these people are giving her has basically made her worse. I know you people are some intelligent MFers so let me know if you guys have done some of this magnetic therapy or throw the prescription drugs away type deal let me know.</p>

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Dudes name is Michael Trudeau, let me know please!</post></p>

<p>I will post this again in the Parents Cafe in like 1 minute.</p>

<p>EDIT: posted in the PC</p>

<p>YES! sort of… I suffered with back pain for years (about 5 years). My sister was even worse than me. She went to back crackers, tried drugs, contemplated surgery. Finally as a last resort she went to Dr John Sarno in NY and was cured of her back pain. She described the process to me and in a very short period of time I was cured also. I have tried to spread the word a bit, but most people are so resistant to accept the diagnosis that they do not respond, and it is so frustrating that I don’t bother much. I simply point them to the book (“Mind Over Back”), tell them it worked for me and leave it at that.</p>

<p>If anyone is interested they can google “mind body connection” “Dr John Sarno” or go to amazon, “Mind Over Back” </p>

<p>I did see a TV show last night (on CNN or CNBC?) that described a high fat diet that was very effective in stopping epileptic seizures. The expose part of the show was that the diet was rarely perscribed by doctors because it wasn’t a revenue producing prescription drug.</p>

<p>That diet is called the ketogenic diet. At the time of its inception, it was only known that it worked among a handful of patients. No formal studies had turned up any conclusive results. It was just too new to tell its effectiveness. Besides, noone had any idea how it functioned on a biological level. Doctors were behaving soundly on both MORAL and SCIENTIFIC levels in refusing to grant the treatment as a substitute for traditional therapies. Now, of course, it is endorsed by doctors. I am a bitter cynic with no innate trust of pharmaceutical companies, but even I don’t believe that their hands were in these doctors’ pockets.</p>

<p>[Edit: The treatment is very expensive, anyway. Setting up a clinic could net quite a bit of cash for a doctor. It’s unlikely that money was a direct motivator, since endorsing the treatment could have been a good source of revenue. Health insurance, on the other hand, may have played a role in decisionmaking. But that’s a different issue.]</p>

<p>If magnetic braces work for you, so much the better. But be warned, as far as science can tell, they do nothing on a biochemical level to relieve pain. If you have arthritus and a magnetic bracelet eases your aches, you’re lucky. It’s probably all placebo effect, but why not use magnets if they work? That said, many scientifically refuted “alternative therapies” are not so benign, especially if they’re substituted for the latest treatments the medical research community has to offer. If you have cancer and the usual pantheon of treatments fail, the last thing you want to do is slap on a permanent-magnet.</p>

<p>Here is an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on magnet therapy:</p>

<p>"Few magnet healing product manufacturers have demonstrated scientifically that they actually achieve what they claim, and most cannot even agree on what exactly the magnetic fields do. Some claim that the magnets help to circulate the blood by some interaction with the iron in hemoglobin, a major component of red blood cells. However, in its ionised form, iron is not ferromagnetic. If it were, use of magnetic resonance imaging would instantaneously kill patients. Still others claim that the magnets can restore the body’s electromagnetic energy balance. There are also claims that the south pole of a magnet acts different on the body than the north pole. The list of ways that manufacturers purport that magnetic fields affect the body is almost endless.</p>

<p>The vast majority of information sources and Web sites promoting magnetic therapy belong to people and understandably biased companies that sell magnetic products."</p>

<p>On a slightly different topic: Although I question the extreme oversimplifications Dr. Sarno seems to embody in taking the message to the masses, I do not deny that both you (NJres) and your sister benefited from the treatment. I have not researched enough to properly respond to your claims.</p>

<p>My thoughts on “natural cures” is that unfortunately the natural cure business has no quality control. All claims are accepted equally and nobody has to prove anything. </p>

<p>I suspect that a few of the natural cures are really wonderful. But which ones? The few gems that are out there are unfortunately drowning under an ocean of of quack cures that range from cheerful nonsense to toxic dangers.</p>

<p>Being “natural” means you never have to say you’re sorry.</p>

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<li>Many diseases like MS have a spontaneous remission rate that is quite high. If you tried one of these cures just before you had a remission you would be tempted to credit the “natural cure”.</li>
<li>Allopathic or scientific wins in the end because it will adopt any “natural cure” that is proven to work. There are numerous examples from medical history. Digitalis is one of the earliest. Another is the treatment of polio with hot fomentations. This was originally rejected by mainstream medicine because its proponent was stating that polio was a disease of muscle while medicine knew that it was a disease of nerves. What hot fomentation did however was relieve the intense pain of polio. As soon as it was found to have this effect it was adopted by mainstream medicine but with more scientific explanation attached.</li>
<li>There may be effective natural cures out there that have not been tested as yet, but as an earlier poster has stated they are buried under a heap of quackery and placebo responses.</li>
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<p>Actually… funny you mention this book. The author, Kevin Trudeau, is a convicted criminal who has served jail time for duping customers on previous infomertials (like Mega Memory and Speed Reading). In fact, he and his cronies were so malicious in screwing consumers that the FTC prohibits him from selling anything except publications (books, newsletters, etc - it’s covered under free speech in the US Constitution, the same reason why World Weekly News can claim every week that aliens are gonna kill us or whatever - it may be rediculous, but it’s freedom of speech/press).</p>

<p>Link: <a href=“http://www.quackwatch.org/02Consume...ns/trudeau.html[/url]”>http://www.quackwatch.org/02Consume...ns/trudeau.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Search that site (main page of quackwatch) for Kevin Trudeau and there is tons of stuff against him - how all his claims are complete BS and straight out lies. Use the caveat emptor message here - if there really was a CURE for MS, doctors would have gotten the Nobel Prize. That man will surely be in the lower levels of Dante’s Hell, so dont make him richer while he lives on Earth. In a quick statement, his claims are crap.</p>

<p>I am a fan of yoga for aches, pain and arthritis. If it was anything more serious, I would go to the doctor, so I agree with Coureur’s assessment, I guess, about there being no quality control.</p>

<p>I’m also a huge fan of oatmeal. Love it for breakfast and hope it’s cholesterol lowering effect lives up to the hype.</p>

<p>Natural cures: acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine (TCM)</p>

<p>I have had very good results with acupuncture and TCM. I have chronic sinus problems and was constantly on antibiotics (after successful sinus surgery to remodel things). I saw an infectious disease specialist for each infection and had to be on multiple antibiotics for months at a time. I was in poor health most of the time and had to finally quit my job.</p>

<p>I started acupuncture with a wonderful, empathetic woman who treats me with regular acupuncture and various Chinese herbs and teas. (She is Chinese herself and was a dr. there trained in both Chinese and Western medicine.) I have not been on antibiotics for 8 years. I still have sinus infections and allergies but now more under control and no more antibiotics, which were destroying me. It also got rid of my migraines.</p>

<p>Acupuncture can help with many conditions, though Western medicine does not yet acknowledge this.</p>

<p>Has anyone tried St. John’s wort? I am considering it! Unless someone sends me some of the childbirth meds that we discussed on another thread. :)</p>