<p>this is from Patrick Buchanans column ( link posted above)</p>
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<p>devils67: I would respectfully submit that you are the uneducated fool and you seem to be in good company with some of the “men” on this board. And, just in case you’ve wondering, I, too, was raised by a public school system that taught me that America was good. I grew up. Now with five decades behind me, I know that America is imperfect. And we made a mistake that we will be paying for long past the time when our troops withdraw from Iraq. One thing about being a grown-up is that as you grow wiser, it gets easier to admit mistakes. In the eyes of the rest of the world, the United States would grow up a lot if we admitted that we went to war under false pretenses and we now need the rest of the world to step in and help Iraq from descending into total chaos. By the way, are any of you men on this board thinking of enlisting to serve in this “just” war? Thought so.</p>
<p>I would but I’m not a US citizen…</p>
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answer to the first: it is well known in election polling that veterans are strong Bush supporters. Answer to point two - no one “told” me she was anti-American. All you have to do is look at her own statements which I posted on a previos page in this thread. It is hard to take those statements and think of her as anything but anti-American.</p>
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So, we are supposed to make foreign policy based on one professor’s viewpoint? I guess that would be consistent with using one nephew’s opinion about the war. Are we also supposed to run foreign policy based on poll numbers? If so, then you certainly do not have a leg to stand on in terms of why we are there since the vast majority favored the war prior to, immediately after the fall of Baghdad, and for probably at least two years after that. Is that how you expect a President to make a decision - take an opinion poll? What would such an opinion poll have shown in 1944 had the press covered the war like they have in Iraq?</p>
<p>if you are a legal resident you can enlist- you don’t have to be a citizen
President Bush issued an executive order in 2002 making it easier for foreign-born U.S. troops to naturalize. Congress further modified immigration laws late last year.
As a result, any legal resident who enlists in the military can immediately petition for citizenship rather than wait the five years required for civilians to start the process. Those in the military previously had to wait three years to become citizens. And $390 in petition and fingerprinting fees are waived for servicemembers.
Citizenship applications from servicemembers more than doubled in one year to almost 10,000 after Bush’s executive order in 2002. In the first three quarters of the current fiscal year, the Immigration Service has received more than 11,000 naturalization petitions from soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen.
In naturalization ceremonies across the country that are geared to the upcoming holiday, several hundred military servicemembers are among the 15,000 people who will be sworn in as citizens.</p>
<p>“One thing about being a grown-up is that…it gets easier to admit mistakes”</p>
<p>LMAO!</p>
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I guess disagreement = “uneducated fool” in your book. I love your open mind.</p>
<p>It is your right to dismiss Wallerstein as “simply one professor’s viewpoint,” but google him and you will discover that he is on the short list of most respected scholars in this country. I would suspect that he has studied history–and the history of wars–longer and more thoroughly than you have. In the world of scholars, it was considered huge news this week when he declared that the war cannot be won. But, then again, most scholars are professors and therefore their opinions are highly suspect, non?</p>
<p>“Uneducated fool” was turning Devil’s words back at him, FF. Context is important.</p>
<p>But, she then extended the term to the “men” on the board, hence, not only calling them (me) an uneducated fool but also added to it be questioning my manhood. Context is very important, indeed.</p>
<p>Hamlet: act I scene II</p>
<p>Seems, madam, Nay, it is. I know not ‘seems.’</p>
<p>'Tis not alone my inky cloak, good mother,
Nor customary suits of solemn black,
Nor windy suspiration of forc’d breath,
No, nor the fruitful river in the eye,
Nor the dejected havior of the visage,
Together with all forms, moods, shapes of grief,
'That can denote me truly. These indeed seem,
For they are actions that a man might play;</p>
<p>[or actions that a Cindy might play]</p>
<p>I am not a permanent resident I am here on a student visa. So when I get a job here after graduation I will then go through the process of becoming a permanent resident (through my corporate sponsor).</p>
<p>Context continued: I was referring to the earlier post that noted (accurately, it seems) that the “ladies” are the ones who are most vocal about calling for troop withdrawal. How you can infer from that statement that I am questioning your “manhood” escapes me. In the end, maybe it does always come down to the *****. With that, I bid adieu.</p>
<p>Perhaps you should learn the various meanings associated with the double quotes around a word before you use them.</p>
<p>Edit: I see that you teach journalism. Now “my heart aches” for the type of open-minded education that our journalism students are getting. It’s no wonder journalism is held in such low esteem these days.</p>
<p>you mean infering that those who aren’t hawks are “girlie men”?</p>
<p>who said anything about girlie men? Or even made that inference?</p>
<p>this thread has gotten a bit out of control with the personal attacks I thought this was the parent’s cafe not the kindergartden cafe. </p>
<p>Get over yourselves. We disagree on various issues but there is no need to attack people personally. Some will argue that I have attacked Cindy personally…which I have but I have not attacked anyone here…</p>
<p>people attack Bush’s actions as well as his person (calling him stupid,etc.) all the time but you don’t see me going around calling you names and attacking you personally. </p>
<p>Seriously…people grow up.</p>
<p>When you consider how many men in the pentagon thought this war was a bad idea…I find this “girly men” argument disingenuous at best.</p>
<p>The American people may have supported this war at one time but as they understand the way that information was manipulated and that they were misled…the opposition has grown among men and women.</p>
<p>As for Cindy Sheehan, I can’t imagine how angry I would be if my President mislead my child into their death.</p>
<p>No more Presidential vacations until the troops come home. Is that too great a sacrifice to ask of the Bush family?</p>
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Now you are attacking a person because he is on vacation during wartime? Oh come on! Where do you think FDR was when he died? And with “the other woman” to boot.</p>
<p>What does FDR have to do with it?</p>