Anyone else have a hard time during driver's permit practice?

<p>My DD is a very cautious driver, admittedly still nervous. It hard for her to get up the nerve to go over 30 mph. In our state, she’s supposed to put in at least 50 hours of behind the wheel practice before obtaining her actual license. She also loves to follow the rules, so she isn’t wavering from those 50 hours ;-)</p>

<p>I should be grateful that I don’t have a daredevil kid, but I still find it so nervewracking to be in the passenger seat! She’s stressed about accumulating hours so slowly. Her dad isn’t too available, so the responsibility is mostly mine. I’ve suggested we hire someone (more relaxed than me!) to drive around with her, but she thinks this would be “stupid and embarrassing.”</p>

<p>Can someone relate?!</p>

<p>Is there an Interstate near you that you two could drive out of town for a bit. There are fewer things to watch out for, so it would be a little less nerve wracking for the both of you and she could get the “feel for the wheel” a little better.</p>

<p>Maybe there’s a park or an outlet mall that’s a little distant that you could make a short day or half-day trip out of it.</p>

<p>Sushi (our favorite dinner!): Be GLAD your D drives slowly and cautiously. She is smart! My D and my stepsons all drove too fast, and I think my D still does. She will learn in time and gain more confidence. You just have to suffer through it in the meantime :wink: . Outlying locations without much traffic is a good idea. When my D took her driving test, we did it in a small town two hours away. She drove all the way there and back, and we still talk about how much fun that day was. That was the only driver’s license place with available appointments that week. My D called all over the state to find an appointment!</p>

<p>Until recently, my cousin wouldn’t get on the highway. It terrified her. She is middle-aged. But having to take her mother to doctor’s for cancer treatments, made her face her fears and she now drives on the highway without fear or nervousness. So let your D develop her driving skills at her own rate. She will get used to it when she gets used to it! (Even if it’s 20 years later!)</p>

<p>Sushi, I can SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO relate. My kids were not nervous though, but I can relate to being the nervous one accompanying them during the 50 hours of practice driving. I felt like I was gonna die so many times. It was a very difficult “job” for me. I mean, a mistake can be deadly and I just could not tell if they were going to react or do the right thing and I didn’t want to find out with a “wait and see” if they do X right. So, yes, I likely got some grey hairs doing those 50 hours with two teens at age 15 (permits at 15 here).</p>

<p>When they got their licenses, I was still very nervous at first to let them go off on their own. I do make them call as they reach the designation and also when they leave the designation to go to the next place or to come home. Still the first few times they went off in a car by themselves, I was a nervous wreck. Even a couple years later, I still get that way. Now my kids are ages 17 and 19. </p>

<p>You probably don’t need to hear this now at a sensitive time, but 15 mos. ago, my then 16 year old, after only having her license for two months, was in a very serious car crash at 65 miles per hour on the interstate and it was the sort of crash that you would not expect someone to survive. She was very seriously injured but has miraculously recovered and is fine now. That experience is not one I wish on any child or parent and you better believe I am even MORE nervous now. Still, I can’t keep them from growing up and being independent and have had to let go though keep tabs on them. </p>

<p>Given what we went through with our youngest child last spring, I amazingly let my older one, then age 18 drive 6000 miles with 2 friends to Alaska (we live in VT). That child had been driving for two years and is highly responsible. She was expected to call each night as she reached the destination on her itinerary and she is very good about calling so I wasn’t too strung out over it (though the AlCan Highway made me nervous as there is no cell service so I could not call her but she called from pay phones). That child has a car at college and so obviously doesn’t call me when she makes a move like she does when she is home. And she has driven long distances on her own. </p>

<p>Second child, who had the accident, went back to driving several months later after recovery. Of course, I was nervous but she did not use the interstate and has only ever driven within 30 miles of home. In fact, the day of her accident she was going to a city 50 miles from home but wasn’t yet allowed to drive that far so was just driving one exit to meet friends who had licenses much longer who would drive the rest of the way (so much for my caution, she still had an accident in the short distance she drove). Then this past year from age 16 1/2 to age 17 1/2, she has been away at college in NYC and so hasn’t driven AT ALL except the two times she ever came home. She was home for a few weeks this past month and drove again but wasn’t allowed yet to drive any further than she has ever driven (still within 30 miles). Now, I am being brave again. We just left her at a job in another state for the entire summer and gave her the car to have there. Obviously, she won’t be calling me as she leaves and arrives like she does when driving at home. Yes, she was on her own at college in a major city and didn’t account for her comings and goings all year but that was not with a car. This is a big step for me that she is with a car. She is in a smallish town and I am not too concerned for the local driving there which is fairly similar to what it is like here. However, she does have a very close friend who lives 50 miles from where her job is this summer. That drive does involve the interstate, plus way more traffic than she is used to here in the country and also adds the element of finding directions that are not familiar and it does concern me some but I can’t never let her grow into this stuff. She isn’t nervous, I am! So, when we took her a few days ago to leave her on her own in that state, we did do a trial run to that friends’ house 50 miles from her job so that I was with her to guide the way and for my own sake to see if she could do it. I must say, I hadn’t sat in the car with her much since those permit driving days and all over again, i was nervous. I’m like “you are driving close ot the center line…that’s too risky, move over!” I knew I drove her nuts but it is my job ;-). So, now she is there. Hopefully, I’ll survive. In fact, I got word that she is driving to that friend’s house this evening (we won’t let her do it in the dark though she drives in the dark here but there is different as she is not familiar with the way or nature of the driving). I know the other family. They are well aware of our nervousness given that our D almost died last year and has been away from driving all year at college. I believe they had their D meet mine half way. I likely will call there later for my own peace of mind. </p>

<p>As I said, the kids are not nervous but I am. I know that my youngest D is likely way more cautious given all that she has gone through. Still, I drum my warnings over and over again about driving issues. I don’t do it with the other kid but not only is she older and more experienced, but she is just different. </p>

<p>Overall, I commisserate with you but have to say that at some point, we all get through this and have to let them grow up and do these things and not hold them back. We knew it was important for our D to drive again and not live in fear. Still, she has learned a lot about what can happen. I don’t wish that lesson on anyone, however. </p>

<p>Good luck on getting through this rite of passage!</p>

<p>My D (just turned 18), was petrified at how fast everyone else drove, as well as the huge SUVs on the road, and the sheer number of vehicles on the road. We also have the 50 hours behind the wheel (with 10 being on the freeway). She didn’t make it through the 6 month permit, and decided (herself) not to renew it. Says she couldn’t care less about driving. </p>

<p>It’s fine. She’s a non-driver. So what. Maybe someday as she grows up she’ll try again. It’s a non-issue at school, so there’s no pressure.</p>

<p>I assume part of the issue for her is that we have a dear friend who’s a quadriplegic from a car accident 18 years ago (he was a passenger, no drugs or alcohol involved). Interestingly, HE drives, and well!</p>

<p>I was a nervous passenger when she would drive, probably because she was.</p>

<p>I may be the only person to say, don’t push her.</p>

<p>Sushi, I echo those who say be very, very glad your daughter is so cautious. Mine was and is the exact opposite, and after a few attempts at being the passenger while she learned to drive, I absolutely washed my hands of it.</p>

<p>Here’s my recommendation - hire someone else - a professional driving instructor. That’s what I did, after I realized I just wasn’t going to survive the experience. (Soozievt, I honestly don’t know how you hung in there and got through it - twice.)</p>

<p>Sushi, the driving instructor came to the house, picked up D, they went off for a lesson (usually 2-3 hours at a time); she was delivered back to the house, etc. I found him through recommendations from other parents at her high school (private high school = no drivers ed classes). It took a lot of stress off of both of us, and I have never regretted it. It was pricey but in my opinion worth every penny. </p>

<p>My D still drives a bit too casually for my liking, but, she’s getting better. My guess is that your D will start to become more and more comfortable, but that it will take some time.</p>

<p>Justamom, I was the exact same way at 18. In fact, I bought a car - with cash - but could not even drive it off the lot because I had no license or permit. It had to sit there until a friend could drive it to my house. Then, caring friends tried to teach me how to drive, but that was hopeless too. I was afraid of interstates and fast cars, and was terrified of trucks. The car sat in the driveway and I took the bus. Then at age 19, a motivating event got me very eager to learn to drive. By then I’d owned my car for a year. But I still failed the driving test three times - finally passed it on the fourth try. Now I’m 40-something, and have never had a ticket or an accident - not one. Very conservative driver. </p>

<p>So I very much agree that you shouldn’t push your D: if someone had pushed me, it would have made me even more hesitant. I suspect very likely something similar happens with all those who are very reluctant to drive at first - eventually something very important comes along that makes driving critical, and the reluctant driver becomes a very conservative, low incident driver.</p>

<p>Is anyone here 45 or so? It seemed like, when we were kids, we all couldn’t wait to get our licenses or wait to move out of the house for that matter. Times have changed. Imagine what Bruce Springsteen’s early songs would have sounded like if he had started his career today. “Born to Run” with a reference to taking the cross-town bus just wouldn’t be the same.</p>

<p>My S was will be 18 next month, just became interested in getting his license at the beginning of the year. He’s nervous behind the wheel and getting better. His mom’s a little hyper riding shotgun, and I’m not much better. He went for his first test a couple of weeks back and failed. At a very short green light, he almost went through when the light had been yellow for a moment. He must have been thinking the light would’ve stayed green longer and was going to go through. The examiner told him to stop immediately and stopped the test right then and there. He goes again in few weeks.</p>

<p>Another pithy Dad saying: “<em>assume</em> makes an a** out of you and me”.</p>

<p>Dadguy - Do you live in a larger city? I’m noticing that my friends’ kids who live in larger cities are having a very prolonged permit period.</p>

<p>My second son just got his license. He really IS NOT a very good driver - so he’ll be very close to home for quite awhile. I was hoping he could drive to school this fall (his senior year) but it’s a long drive (16 miles) and not an easy drive - so we’ll see how he does this summer…</p>

<p>I don’t think I could teach any more kids how to drive! Good thing I only had two.</p>

<p>I would agree that if you have a nervous or hesitant kid when it comes to driving, go slowly and don’t push. That wasn’t the case with my two kids. They wanted their permit right on their 15th birthdays. I can relate to Dadguy that when I was a teen, I also got my permit and license on the first day I was eligible. My kids felt the same way. It was like a rite of passage and a sense of growing up and independence. Also, where we live, it is rural, and to get ANYWHERE from the house, one must drive. There is no public transportation. My kids were active in a myriad of ECs all over and so it helped when they could drive. However, I know several teens here who are not anxious to get a license at all which I always found a bit curious because driving is such a necessity here. In fact, my youngest D’s HS boyfriend, her last year at home, didn’t bother to get his permit, nor license and so she had to drive and he lived very far away. She graduated a year ago but he didn’t (she graduated early) and his family moved out of the district (he already lived about 15 miles from us before the move) and his family sent him for senior year to our HS anyway which meant his commute was very far, plus he is involved in theater and stuff and they have four children who must be driven to things and he was the only one attending this school in his family. Even when my D has come home from college and visits with him (they are not dating long distance but are still close friends), she is the one who has to drive and then take him home which is about 30 miles from our house. He won’t have his license until about when he leaves for college. I know his mom isn’t happy about that choice as it has been difficult to drive him to all these things so far and with three other kids. My D finds it odd when all their peers are driving and he isn’t. But I have met several kids who are not anxious to get licenses even though driving is such a necessity here. My kids are not among them. </p>

<p>LatetoSchool…I couldn’t hire someone to do the practice driving. Let me explain. In our state, it is REQUIRED to take driver’s education. It is a course but along with the course, there are six hours of practice driving with the instructor and so they did do that. But to get a license, one needs the permit for one full year, be 16, have taken Driver’s Ed and then have put in 40 hours of practice driving with an adult that is documented. So, 34 hours of those 40 had to be with me mostly, not the driver’s education teacher. I lived through it miraculously. :eek:</p>

<p>Now, I gotta tell someone what just happened. I wrote earlier that my 17 year just started a job in another state and has the car and I am a bit nervous. She won’t be telling me her coming and going like she is required to do when driving locally (my rules for my sanity). But tonight, she did meet up with a friend in that state and met her half way and so this was about 15 miles away but on an interstate. But it is now nighttime. I did get in touch with her and she said she’d be leaving soon and would call when she got back to the rental house. She didn’t call for a while but I tried to stay calm and she WISELY called to say she hadn’t left yet as I had thought by her earlier indication (she got in trouble with me once this summer when she called to say she was leaving to come home and then it took way too long for her to arrive and I was worried but she hadn’t left for 30 more min. after she said she was leaving and should have called again and said so!..do they ever put themselves in our shoes??? no!). Ok, this time she improved and called to say she hadn’t left yet and would call as she was leaving. She did call. I looked on mapquest and saw how many miles and minutes to where she is it should take but gave her extra time as it was night and in a new place, a new kind of driving, and she could even get lost. But OK, it was about double the time it should have taken and my heart palpitations increased (I had a similar experience exactly a week ago when she was home!). OK, I’m a mom, I’m guilty. I am a mom of a kid who almost died in a car crash, I have just cause. So, the phone just rang. It was her in a meek, kind of nervous sounding voice (opposite of her usual demeanor)…“Mom???” and I am thinking…she is in an accident or lost…sorry, but my mind starts to race when she hasn’t called at the time I expect. Oh, she got to her house all right, phew. She said she had been there for several minutes (she should have called, I was so nervous!) but now she was upset because she could NOT unlock the door to this house she is living at (she moved in a few days ago)! I almost have to laugh…I’m so happy she made it home and yet, here she was scared out of her wits cause she couldn’t get in the house. Now, how am I supposed to help…this is where she is on her own. Right now, there is just one other person living in the house, a fifty year old actor (more will be moving in later this summer) and she swears he is in the house but must have gone to bed and she said she can’t get the key to turn and is banging on the door and doesn’t know what to do. What can I do? LOL I have this entire image of it. You see, my D is not fearful of driving but…for instance, when she pulls up to our house in the dark at night…and it is the country here, she is scared out of her mind in the dark (she’d kill me if she knew I told this publicly), and you’d be surprised that she is not scared one bit walking alone in NYC where she goes to college at night (I AM!) but here, she is scared of the dark and even parks the car as close to our door as she can, even though that is not where her parking spot is at our house but she is unwilling to walk from her car to the door in the dark and runs as few feet as she can to get inside and in fact, often knocks on the door as she doesn’t want to stand on the porch long enough to find a key and open it. So, here she is in the dark away from home and banging on the door and can’t turn the key. We can’t exacly help her. Next thing, I know, she makes a surprise sound on the phone and says the guy got up and came to the door. Phew. Here I was nervous about her driving and getting home safely and she wasn’t nervous at all but then she was frantic about being unable to get into her house and no place to go! Me? I’m so happy she drove safetly. She? The dark was scary and being unable to get in was scary. It is kinda funny.</p>

<p>S, I totally feel your pain. There is an excellent book called “The Gift of Fear” (forgot who the author is) that your D might get a lot out of reading - it is very good on the points of when to listen to, and respect, fear, and not to disregard it, especially for young women.</p>

<p>Not wanting to drive must be a city thing; I live in a suburban area without an effective public transportation network, so driving has always been something I couldn’t wait to do.</p>

<p>It’s funny since I just went through that whole cycle last year around this time, and how different it will be when I’m the one who will have to sit in the passenger seat.</p>

<p>Drivers education programs are a great plan if they’re available. I went through one, and while the in-class portion was outdated and pretty much a waste of time, the portion spent behind the wheel with a supervisor was great. It allowed me to learn without one of my parents critiquing every little thing.</p>

<p>Both my S’s couldn’t wait to drive and once they got their Learner’s Permit wanted to be behind the wheel every time we left the house. S1 was not a great driver but thought that he was (that’s the dangerous kind). H had very little patience with him so it fell to me to ride shotgun. I found it worked best to correct him in a “gentle reminder” kind of voice (as opposed to H’s "you’re gonna get us killed " voice) and encourage him in the same way by telling him when he had done something right rather than always just correcting. So even if you are a nervous wreck inside, the kid will feel much more confident if you don’t show it. This S did have a couple of accidents, not with other cars but like backing into a tree at a friends house. We made him pay for repairs and his driving improved but he still drives too fast for my taste (now 19).</p>

<p>S2 was much less scary (maybe I was hardened to the trauma by S1). I think he learned a lesson from his brother’s incidents. He has had his license for 6 months now and is doing well.</p>

<p>The 50 hour thing is new to me. In our state a teenager must drive with a Learner’s Permit (parent in the car) for an entire year before trying for the full license. Thats plenty of time for lots of practice! Also in ur state we have a “graduauted license”. This means for the first 6 months they have their license, they are not allowed to drive after 9p.m. and are not allowed to have more than 1 person in the car with them. If they are caught in violation of this law their 6 month probationary license is extended another 6 months. They are allowed to drive after 9 if they are coming home from work.</p>

<p>DD was also not in a big hurry to get her license - we were in much more if a hurry for her to get it ;). She was reluctant to practice, so we thought getting the license would be difficult, but she succeeded on the first try - something her Dad and I couldn’t manage at 16. She had a scary experience her first time on the interstate, so it was almost a year before she tried again, but then she was fine, and 6 months later did a 5 hour drive to Grandma’s with her little bro (14).</p>

<p>She didn’t want to use school time for driver’s ed, and we needed the discount, so we went the prof driver route, and it was very good for her. The instructor picked her up at school for 4 intensive sessions after school, and he had seen it all. Good confidence builder for a young driver.</p>

<p>Oh my gosh, did this thread hit a nerve! My second son just got his learner’s permit yesterday! With son 1 I was such a nervous wreck driving with him during the 6+ months of his learner’s permit. I think I wore a hole in the floor on the passenger side trying to put on my imaginary brake. I always tried to calmly give him instructions, but it was hard to keep calm. He was a cautious driver, but it was nervewracking nonetheless. We have so much traffic in Houston, and so many drivers who don’t signal, run red lights, make quick lane changes, etc., I was more worried about him not reacting appropriately to other drivers because of his lack of experience, than I was about him running into something.</p>

<p>Well, after son 1 driving for over 2 years now, I have finally gotten comfortable with his driving, and less worried when he’s out driving around. And now I’ve got to start all over again! Thank God I don’t have any more children.</p>

<p>there is more than one reason why my 24 year old doesn’t have her liscense
not to mention she has ADD and has failed the driving test 3 times- ( she didn’t come to a complete stop for some reason at a 4 way stop-during her test)
My 16 yr old is too busy right now to take drivers ed- and gets around on the bus- but I have taken her driving at the beach- which was a great place as there was little to hit</p>

<p>Thanks for all the thoughtful stories and suggestions! I am indeed grateful that my daughter is a cautious person. I <em>was</em> getting practically comfortable with her driving (she drove us home from school most days last year - she is going to be a senior this year and I am so hoping I don’t have to be a taxi to and from school for another year. Its an easy drive, about 3 miles each way, so we’ll see how things progress this summer) until last month when she pulled into our driveway and got confused for a moment as to which were the brake and gas pedals (!!) and <em>tapped</em> our garage door. A moment earlier, our very elderly cat had crossed her path, so it could have been a very upsetting mistake!</p>

<p>I, too, got my driver’s license on my 16th birthday. The rules were more lax. I was talking to my parents recently (who are nervous people!) about how they never had to practice with me. I recall getting the 6 or 8 required hours of behind the wheel instruction with a private instructor and other than that, my boyfriend taught me (grrrreat - an 18 year old speed demon for a teacher). So my parents got lucky. ;-)</p>

<p>Very few 16+ kids at my daughter’s school are driving solo. I think it goes along with how in general we’re coddling this generation a lot more than we were (i.e. I arranged my own SAT test, got myself to and from, researched colleges totally on my own and when I picked one out, simply told my parents which one to make the check out to). </p>

<p>She informed me yesterday she’s at 20 hours :wink: She has four more of the required hours with the professional driving instructor (so far, she doesn’t want me to hire them for extra hours) … so I guess that means I’ll be hanging in there for another 26 hours. eeek!</p>

<p>My experience has been akin to BlackEyedSusan…my D is so rational that she’s not always prepared when other drivers do something really stupid.</p>

<p>Speed was not an issue around here. If you drive 30 in L.A., you’re going to get run over. “Moving with the predominant speed of traffic” was an early lesson.</p>

<p>When I was young, there were vast parking lots empty on weekends that one could practice on. No such luck here and now. Fortunately, the ritziest residential part of town has extra-wide streets with low amounts of traffic. </p>

<p>D doesn’t have a car at school and so doesn’t drive for months at a time. Every time she comes home, she needs a day or three of me riding shotgun before she gets to borrow a car solo. She’s still not cleared for solo freeway driving though that is getting better…simply not enough practice, still needs a little work, a little confidence on merging on to the freeway and in making some lane changes though the lane changes have gotten <em>much</em> better. She drove me about 150 miles on freeway a couple of weekends ago. It’s nice to see that more “sticks” after every time home. I figure that if she can drive in the L.A. area, she can drive anywhere in the USA except Manhattan and Boston.</p>

<p>I am <em>not</em> a quiet and calm “coach” in dangerous situations. Otoh, I’m relentless about coaching not only <em>what</em> to do but analyzing the situations in terms of <em>why</em> so that from general principles she can derive driving in new situations.</p>

<p>Finally, I’m very pleased that she’s gotten pretty good at reading other drivers’ “body language” and can often anticipate what they’re going to do before they do so.</p>

<p>One thing that made a HUGE difference in my kids’ driving abilities was a skid-car class. In a skid-car class, students drive a specially-adapted car that skids at about 1 mph (it’s on casters). It’s like driving on ice–but in a parking lot, slowly. My kids took the course at Pro Drive, in Portland, OR. (I drove them 200 miles to take the course. My husband and I took the course too.) This is way beyond classic drivers education and teaches effective accident avoidance. The most useful information in the course involved learning to apply the knowledge “the car will go where you’re looking; look at the escape route, NOT the accident.” </p>

<p>Since then I have been in the car with both kids when they avoided potentially dangerous situations using skills they learned in the course. My daughter managed to NOT be part of a multiple-car accident on a local freeway, ending up safely on the shoulder of the highway, so shaken that she drove to the nearest safe place and called me to come get her–but without a scratch on her or the car. (The kids are now 21 (in 2 weeks) and 19 with accident-free records despite LOTS of time in the car.)</p>

<p>Washington has the fifty-hour requirement, and my husband put in most of the hours. We did a lot of “let’s go buy milk” runs in the evenings. Having the kids drive the same route over and over helped them build confidence.</p>

<p>I will point out that we insisted on both kids learning to drive a stickshift before they got their licenses as well. That was really hard on all of us, bucking up and down those hills, trying not to panic as they rolled backwards down slight hills… My son actually took his drivers test in my stickshift car, which really bugged the tester, since he admitted he didn’t know how to drive a stick. (He also flunked him, since he forgot to turn the wheels to the curb on the parking test. He passed the second time (another tester who couldn’t drive a stick) with a perfect score.)</p>

<p>The skid car class sounds like a great idea - I would like to take that! Anyone know where other defensive driving courses can be found??</p>

<p>We are lucky in that our traffic tends to be stop and start, rather sedate, that’s one reason why she was tentative on the interstate.</p>

<p>I think insisting on learning on a stick is a great idea, too, although I had been driving about 3 years when I first learned - but I started driving at 14 (country girl).</p>