Anyone have experience with people who have HORRIBLE tempers?

<p>Hi everyone. I’m a regular poster under another username. I’ve been wanting to post this for awhile, and I’m really hoping for some advice on how to handle my dad’s temper tantrums. I apologize in advance for the length of my post, but I feel like I can’t otherwise give a complete picture.</p>

<p>My dad likes to be in control of everything to the point that my mom and I, when I’m home from college, have little freedom. He likes to tell my mom what to wear and how to do things. He’s always convinced that his way is better either because he got it off the internet or heard it from friends. When my mom objects, he persists to the point where she’ll lose her temper. Then he loses his temper and blames her for not following his directions. It happens so frequently that my mom usually stops arguing after a certain point.</p>

<p>My dad never likes to admit wrong. When you try pointing out his flaws to him, he tries to turn things around on you, making himself the victim. He thinks we hate him and like to blame everything on him. He makes melodramatic statements like, “Fine! Everything’s my fault then! Everyone in this family hates me. There’s no love in this family!”</p>

<p>Tonight, something trivial happened, and he flew off the handle. I was going to a friend’s house, so I offered to pick up something from the store that we needed. He said he’d do it because he wanted to go out. I insisted that I could do it because the store was on my way. He started getting irritated and told me I was complicating things; my mother told him he was complicating things. That’s when he got really angry and sort of started yelling.</p>

<p>He eventually worked himself into a frenzy, knocked some things to the ground, and went out for a drive. This was after various declarations of, “This whole household is turning against me! There’s no justice! Don’t bother calling the police!”</p>

<p>After he left, my mom and I talked about various ways to get him help. I suggested counseling or therapy, but she told me that that wouldn’t help him, nor would he ever seek counseling himself. She just told me to go along with whatever he said and ignore him whenever he got angry because that was the only way to deal with it.</p>

<p>Well, after a little while, he came back. He came thundering upstairs and started yelling. Neither of us had called him while he was gone because we wanted him to calm down. He was enraged that we hadn’t called and accused me of being coldblooded, merciless, ruthless, loveless, and heartless. My grandmother has just passed away, so he invoked her, telling me she would’ve been ashamed of my cold-heartedness. I tried explaining to him that we didn’t call because we wanted him to calm down first and didn’t want him to get too excited while he was driving. He didn’t believe me, saying he could have driven himself off the road, and I would’ve as good as killed him because I didn’t call. He told me my actions were criminal.</p>

<p>Taking the cue from my mom, I listened to him while he raged on, but I said as little as possible. His main beef was that my mom and I had, in his view, ganged up on him in pointing out that he was wrong. He kept on saying he was the head of the household (and thus implying that he didn’t deserve to be “punished”). </p>

<p>Just now, he seemed to have a meltdown where he sounded like he was crying and saying, “My mother just died!” But when my mother and I apologized and tried to console him, he shrugged my mom off and started yelling again. I don’t know if that bit was a glimpse of his real heartache or just a bit of acting. </p>

<p>I really can’t stand it when my dad is like this. I should’ve backed down initially, but I don’t think such a small disagreement should be able to set off something like this. When my dad starts yelling, he doesn’t listen to anyone. He just goes on and on and on. If you start talking, he’ll interrupt you and won’t give you a chance to talk. He just talks until he’s convinced himself that all of humanity has wronged him, which isn’t true, of course.</p>

<p>He deliberately misconstrues other people’s words and throws them back in their faces. He says he’s just defending himself, but he’d never tolerate that kind of behavior from me if I were in the wrong. In fact, he’s pretty much the only one in the family allowed to be angry. When I try defending myself (by explaining my own actions, not by putting words in other people’s mouths), he tells me to dispense with the excuses and that I have no right to be angry.</p>

<p>Whenever he goes on like this, I’m just gripped by this feeling of great injustice, which is, ironically, also what he feels. He cannot be wrong, and when he thinks we’re telling him he’s wrong, he just starts shouting and sometimes becomes incoherent in his shouting. It’s always a lose-lose situation because there is no right move. If I had called him tonight, he either would’ve ignored me or picked up the phone to yell at me some more. I was concerned about him, and that’s precisely why I didn’t call; I’m always concerned when he gets mad anyway.</p>

<p>And while I try not to take to heart the things he says when he’s angry, his words still hurt. A lot. I remember instances when we were arguing at my grandparents’ house and he’d tell me I was responsible if my grandfather had a heart attack due to our yelling.</p>

<p>When he unleashes his temper, it’s absolutely terrible. It cripples the whole family. When he’s upset, everyone else is. And he doesn’t see reason. If he realizes that he’s wrong (which is rare), he’ll just change the subject and turn himself into the victim (like tonight - his attitude later was, “Fine, I was wrong, but you committed the greater of sin of not caring enough”). He has never apologized to anyone, although he fully expected apologies from my mother and me tonight.</p>

<p>My mom tells me I should try talking to him when he’s in better moods and that this is more or less just a phase he’s going through (“male menopause”). But from my experience, if you talk to him when he’s in a good mood, yes, he’ll listen, but he won’t really try to improve. When he gets angry, he just forgets to be rational and flies off the handle, so no amount of talking will help.</p>

<p>Now that his rage has run its course, he’s more rational and calm. My dad hates “talking” - you know, when you tell other people about your hopes and fears and such. So I think part of the reason he gets so angry is because he bottles up a lot of emotions, which is pretty common in our family (as well as stubbornness). And life does go on, usually after a couple hours, or even a couple days. We tend to brush these incidents under the carpet. But then the volcano erupts again, and everyone’s flustered all over again. My dad has a really overbearing presence, and I just hate to think that my mom will have to put up with this for a long time to come.</p>

<p>My mom has even said it herself; she’s a workhorse for the family. She brings home money, but she’s not allowed much say in anything. All her friends are my dad’s friends, so she doesn’t have any allies (except me, but I grew up being terrified of my dad, so I’m not much help). I’m not that worried for myself because I don’t have to live with him for the rest of my days, but my mom has to. </p>

<p>Lastly, I want to make clear that my dad has never been violent towards anyone. When he throws things, he’s careful to aim for the ground. He wouldn’t hurt either of us, I know. But his rages are always emotionally draining.</p>

<p>I have noticed that my mood doesn’t swing as much since I went to a low carb diet. I’ve complained to my doc about the swings and she discounted it to “male menopause.” Look into symptoms of diabetes, Type I and II.</p>

<p>Look up Narcissist. Control through rage. Seems to be very effective w/ you and your mother.</p>

<p>I agree with hazmat. This is a personality disorder, either narcissistic personality disorder or borderline personality disorder. Both are very difficult to change but can be with enough focus. The first step is for the person to really believe he has a problem. It took me 20 years and a very good therapist to convince my husband of his.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>You may have to find strategies to distance yourself from it.</p>

<p>By all mean, hazmat is right. You can google these.</p>

<p>as far as attributing it to a medical condition, it might be helpful to know if he has always been this way, or if it came on more suddenly. Do you think he always had these tendencies, but they’re just increasing in frequency now, or is this somewhat new? Perhaps as you’ve become more of a young adult, you’re becoming more aware of it and can articulate your observations and feelings, but perhaps it’s been there all along. Or maybe whatever coping skills you or your mother had before don’t work anymore if this has been going on for a while. More information would be helpful. But I will say, no matter who agrees to counseling, and who doesn’t, I suspect most posters will suggest you seek out some support for yourself because you can’t live in a house like that, with such fear and trepidation without it causing major stress to you. You will need to let go of decisions mom makes, but let her know how much you love her. And you will need to learn some healthy coping skills and boundaries, whether his temper is medically caused or has emotional roots.</p>

<p>I feel for you, but I’m glad you don’t feel as if you’re in physical danger.</p>

<p>When I was growing up, I was used to lots of arguments. He was just as loud back then, but my mother says that he has improved over the years. There used to be fights almost every weekend. However, I find that the disagreements these days are more frightening, or maybe that’s just because I understand more now.</p>

<p>It seems to me that he started being more controlling towards the end of my high school career, especially senior year, which was just last year. Some of it was probably due to his anxiety over me leaving home for the first time, since prior to college, I’ve never been away for long (not even to sleepaway camp).</p>

<p>He’s also very paranoid about cuts, infections, and illness. This also manifested itself in senior year.</p>

<p>Mythmom, I’m heartened to hear your story about your husband. I hope you don’t mind my asking, but how did you finally get him to see a therapist? Did you have to force him to go?</p>

<p>I really want my dad to get some counseling because I think it might really help; at least, it’d make him realize that he has anger management issues and that he can’t treat people the way he does at home. But my mom pointed out that in order to make counseling work, he’d have to want to go himself, which is where the difficulty lies.</p>

<p>Personality Disorder…read a little and you will come to terms w/ the futility of worrying about this. Your mother chooses to play her part. Stay out of the dynamics. Get yourself some good counseling. That is the best thing you can do for all concerned.</p>

<p>Is it a little worse right now due to grief? Or is this another variation on familiar theme? I second the above thoughts regarding personality disorders. Getting such people to therapy can be be a project, though quite necessary at some point to break this pattern. Having lived with some of this, I feel for you. As you say, very emotionally draining. I found it took a bit of extra time and space to get my psyche back in alignment after dealing with episodes of that nature. I’m so glad there is no physical threat involved. </p>

<p>A book I found helpful was:
[Amazon.com:</a> Stop Walking on Eggshells: Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Care about Has Borderline Personality Disorder: Books: Paul T. Mason,Randi Kreger](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Walking-Eggshells-Borderline-Personality/dp/157224108X]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/Stop-Walking-Eggshells-Borderline-Personality/dp/157224108X)
Whether borderline or one of the other personality disorders, there is good advice in that book as to how to most effectively live with the rages as well as some other very common issues that occur with these disorders. </p>

<p>Take good care of yourself.</p>

<p>Be thankful you can leave the nest. Do not expect the situation to change when you make periodic visits years later. That is my experience with a not nice father. Even an 80 year old can be difficult to tolerate for very long. Focus on what you can do to not let his disruptive behavior have adverse effects on your adult life. Consider getting advice from your college counseling center once you’re there regarding dealing with your situation.</p>

<p>You will notice I focused on your future. You are in an emotionally abusive situation, presumably close enough to leaving that getting out is your easiest option. Do not presume you will change your father, or your mother. I liked the post just above mine, the book sounds good- wish I had resources back then when I was your age.</p>

<p>if it were me i would write an essay, incorporating alot of the things you said in your original post. i would then email it to him.</p>

<p>I don’t know the medical diagnosis, but I do have experience with it and I believe it’s indicative of a deep, unresolved hurt. Perhaps his parents abandoned him, or something like that. Ultimately, the solution is a spiritual healing of some sort. This may or may not happen, so I wouldn’t wait around for it.</p>

<p>I wish I had an easy answer for you. I do believe that Love heals all, in the end. But in the meantime, don’t let him steal your energy (your joy) - distance yourself if you have to. Encourage your mom to be strong. Stay calm and don’t let him drain you. There are techniques for this.</p>

<p>Counseling, of course, would be wonderful if you can convince him to go.</p>

<p>Rereading your OP: you want to know how to handle your dad’s temper tantrums. Venting here is a good first start. Sometimes we think things in our mind that seem disjointed, then as we process it out in writing, the picture becomes more clarified. Just curious, if you went back and read your OP, and tried to read it as if an anonymous poster on this board wrote it, how would you respond to the writer as an outsider?</p>

<p>You seem like an intelligent person (your writing is impecable throughout a very long post); I suspect you have some ideas of what might be helpful to you and are also looking for validation and affirmation. You are honest and are allowing yourself to be vulnerable - these are the hallmarks of someone who wants to change their life and not have their past haunt them, while at the same time understanding you might not change your dad. </p>

<p>While your mom may find that going along with what he says, and ignoring him works for her, you will need to find your own coping skills that speak to who you are and what you value. It’s a tough challenge, as at your age, so much of this is still developing. I guarantee if you do the work, you will be the stronger person in the end. You will also need to look elsewhere for appropriate, healthy male role models to dissuade you from choosing a mate that is also dysfunctional (just because they don’t have temper/anger issues doesn’t mean you’ve avoided an emotionally unavailable person).</p>

<p>Please keep us updated.</p>

<p>The challenge was getting my husband to a therapist but finding the right one. He has been going for twenty years, since I first met him, at my suggestion, of course. The problem was he would walk away from the men and manipulate the women, and his defenses, rationalizes and bullying tactics would only increase. Finally he has found some very talented who has understood that H’s intellectualization is dangerous and is getting hi to feel and connect with himself. This is helping.</p>

<p>It’s not surprising that I came from a household in which both parents had personality disorders. Actually, I thought everyone did. I was amazed to discover that there were actually some people who received authentic love. I did not have the same intimacy or leverage with my parents and I do with my H. Eventually I realized I have to leave their narcissism intact and walk around it. This makes me feel very empty, but it’s all that has worked for me.</p>

<p>He is allowed to get away with his behavior with the ongoing presence of all of you in his life. The only hope of getting his attention is to remove yourselves from his theater and avoid his performances. Your mom would have to do this, and you may be dependent financially. While he is not hitting you or your mom, his verbal abuse is very detrimental to your health, stress hormones are corrosive to the body. The longer you allow yourself to be exposed to this, the more long term consequences there will be. Good luck. Lorelei</p>

<p>I have known a couple closely for 35 years. Having read this thread and jumped around the Internet on the subject, I think I now have a glimmer of understanding of these people.</p>

<p>I found the following especially helpful as a shorthand for the behavior.</p>

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<p>Since I strongly believe in counseling and the ability to heal and get better, I hope those who have or are exposed to this get help.</p>

<p>Just a thought-- does he happen to drink or misuse any medications? While he may have a personality disorder, it is probably more likely an impulse control disorder than Narcissism or Borderline personality. Borderlines certainly get rageful and some of what you describe fits the Borderline black-and-white thinking, but BPD is less common in males than females. Heres a good brief acronym for Borderline personality disorder:</p>

<p>A commonly used mnemonic to remember some features of borderline personality disorder is PRAISE:</p>

<p>P - Paranoid ideas
R - Relationship instability
A - Angry outbursts, affective instability, abandonment fears
I - Impulsive behavior, identity disturbance
S - Suicidal behavior
E - Emptiness </p>

<p>from wikipedia:

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<p>Does this sound like him? Borderlines are very draining and very high maintenance. I agree with loreli-- there is emotional/verbal abuse. One doesn’t have to be physically violent to be intimidating and abusive. Good luck!! You and mom should consider getting some assistance in how to live with tis, if you continue to do so. You can’t change him, but you can change how you respond to him. Take care of yourself!</p>

<p>Cross posted with 07Dad with the same acronym for BPD!! Great minds think alike?!?!</p>

<p>Hi all. After a not-so-full night of sleep, I feel a little silly having posted this last night, but I’m glad that I did because otherwise I wouldn’t have learned that there were possible diagnoses. I will definitely follow up on them, but I have to go to work soon, so I’m just going to answer some of the questions posted.</p>

<p>great lakes mom - For the most part, our family is pretty stoic. Everyone sort of just grieves privately. I think he very well could be more vulnerable now because of the recent death. He has said that it’s hard to believe my grandmother’s not there. Also, thanks for the book suggestion. I’m definitely going to pick it up sometime.</p>

<p>wis75 and lealdragon - I think I will avail myself of the opportunity for some counseling once break is over. While I know that my dad’s anger issues have certainly played their role in my life, I don’t feel as if I’ve been harmed by them. But of course, I can’t comment objectively on this, and some outside perspective would be nice.</p>

<p>jym626 - Nope, to your question about alcohol and drugs. He’s the type to drink a glass of wine with dinner a couple nights of the week and that’s it. </p>

<p>In terms of BDP, he seems to fit the first three descriptions, but I wouldn’t know about suicidal tendencies. Last night, he did say, “Well, if I had committed suicide and driven myself off the road…” But I’m not sure whether that was a product of his extreme anger, or if he was seriously contemplating it. </p>

<p>He definitely has the black-and-white type of thinking, I think.

See, I’m not sure the “pervasive instability in mood.” While he can be easily set off sometimes, he’s on the whole pretty emotionally stable. Usually, he and my mom might squabble over something petty, and a few feathers are ruffled, but then after a little while, they go back to conversing perfectly normally.</p>

<p>As for interpersonal relationships, I forgot to mention that this behavior only manifests itself at home. He has wonderful relationships with all his friends, and even if they know he has an ugly temper (which I don’t think they do), they certainly haven’t seen any of it. </p>

<p>I’m just not sure about his sense of self. This is getting more and more complex because I never used to think about these issues in relation to my father. He definitely sees himself as the head of the household because he does a lot of the chores around the house; he started taking them over from my mom when I was in high school, since she was always so busy with work. </p>

<p>I also wouldn’t say that he has “frequent, strong and long-lasting states of aversive tension.” Like I said, the majority of disagreements are quickly resolved and forgotten (usually after some placating on my mom’s part). And he seems to forget them fairly quickly. Big ones like this happen only once in awhile. This might drag on for a couple of days, but then everything’s forgotten eventually.</p>

<p>I should also mention that my dad really likes to fit in with everyone. More than once, his reasoning to buy something that we didn’t need was, “Well, my friends x and y both recommended this product, so I think I’ll buy one.” His friends x and y actually come up a lot in dinner conversations. He likes to talk about how they all agreed with something he said or something to show how well he gets along with them.</p>

<p>Anyway, I have to go to work, but thank you so much for all the thoughtful replies! I really appreciate it!</p>

<p>Shalott, this is a safe place for you, and you should not feel silly for presenting your situation to others. It is a serious matter, and while your life is probably mostly pleasant and easy, this kind of situation festers and makes one anxious, and it is and will be a distraction. I hope you will avail yourself of resources to protect yourself emotionally and develop a different set of tools for expressing frustration and anger. Unfortunately, besides the biological and genetic tendancies we inherit, there are scripts we learn, and those behaviors and words are those to which we turn when we are challenged. It takes hard work to find a different way. Good luck to you. Lorelei</p>