Anyone investing in Public Company Stock?

I kind of like the new companies in the “fintech” industry because I think it will be transformative and because traditional banking only serves high wealth clients which is, one of the reasons, the average person doesn’t handle money well. I haven’t narrowed down which companies could be the winners in that new and emerging industry segment yet, I don’t even know yet if the leaders are even public, but that is an industry I like.

I don’t have any other favorites.

I’m open and looking around for ideas.

A friend at work made a big bet on Gold a few months ago.

Another work friend has large positions in Alcoa and Mattel.

Anybody else here got some solid ideas, theories and hunches they want to share?

My solid idea is no big bets and no overly large (concentrated) positions in any one company, sector or commodity. I don’t even know what the “fintech” industry is. Would that include a phone app for exchanging money without a bank? Like, “Cash” ?

ahhh… apparently I missed that episode of 60 Minutes.

I prefer to let the experts do the picking, so I go with no-load mutual funds. I only have two rules: Dollar cost averaging, and diversify diversify diversify.

Being disciplined is smart. Put money away each month and start as early as possible. You know, when I was in college, they told us that US Equity had the highest return of any asset class. They told us that US Equity returned, on average, between eight and eleven percent annually.

Neither one of my parents went to college. My mom didn’t even finish high school. My dad was career Navy. WW II generation. Scarred by the Great Depression (when they were kids) generation. They knew the value of a buck.

Being the enterprising young man that I was, I didn’t always believe everything I read in textbooks or what my teachers told us. So, then they showed us stock charts of the S&P 500 and the Dow and so forth and sure enough, over time, you could see that an 8-11% return, before taxes, was accurate information. That along with the power of compounding, the same math that Warren Buffet used to get excited about investing when he was young, had me convinced that investing in US Equities was a smart thing to do. It was a lesson I learned in college and took to heart,

The tech bubble crash ruined the 8-11% average for many, many years and the credit crisis economic meltdown did the same thing. The 8-11% thing was true over 100 years mostly because the US was an economic power post WW II and a net exporter, etc. None of that is even close to true today. The US is still a big economy but certainly isn’t a net exporter and other countries have labor cost advantages and manipulate their currencies which, give him credit, only one candidate for president even brings up.

With our “new normal” economic growth it is hard to expect a decent return even if you take on risk by investing directly in public company stock. Still, you can’t keep it under a mattress and you have to try to beat the rate of inflation somehow. The fintech industry segment refers to companies that use technology to change the way we bank and borrow, get investment, tax and estate planning advice, and so forth. Forbes 2016 Investment Guide issue listed the Fintech 50 and had a headline of the future of money. Keep in mind that the Fed Reserve does an annual study of median US net worth and found that 47% of the people in this country wouldn’t have enough money to deal with a $400 emergency.

Half.

Half the people in this country, probably more, live paycheck to paycheck and that is probably not counting the ones who don’t even work or have steady work.

Traditionally, no one gave money advice to that market segment because … well, mostly because they had very little money to give advice too. But the fintech industry could change that and God knows the average person in this country needs better money management advise. It isn’t just the elderly who are poorly educated about money either but think of it like this. Your smart phone can tell you how many calories you burn each day by walking and can then evaluate how your diet helps or hurts your weight gain goals. You don’t need an expensive personal trainer and nutrition expert for all that data anymore. That is what fintech does for finances.

The Forbes article listed companies such as:

Credit Karma
Kensho
SoFi
Stripe
Acorns
Betterment
Braintree
EquityZen
Fundrise
Etc.

All of them could be transformative and eat into markets traditional controlled by banks, investment advisors, etc. And all of them could be gone by the next annual issue of Forbes so picking the winners and losers is not easy. But, that is investing for you. I’m neutral right now and, sadly, slightly embarrassed to admit this, have a large investment, my core position, in Bank of America. I need to unwind that ASAP but not sure what other ship to jump into.

LendingClub lost 35% of its value today. The founder resigned and the SEC is investigating accounting practices. LC is a leader is the emerging market of peer to peer lending. This is a big deal. The stock could rebound over time or today is just the beginning of a long slow decline if investor’s lose confidence in the business model. Hopefully, I am not the only one here interested in news stories like this :-).

I saw the story.

I am interested in fintech. I want to see how disruptive fintech is going to be.

I bought LC @ $8 very recently - more shares than I am willing to admit. I am very disappointed in Laplanche - he should know better - he was a securities lawyer.

I don’t like mutual funds in general since I don’t believe the so called “experts” know any more than anybody else. I don’t know anything either so I typically play it safe with index etf’s and a few positions in stocks. I’m quite risk averse. I’ll let you guys try out these fintech stocks and report back!

Indexed funds are tied to the market, the manager does not have to be a genius, so I agree with @DocT that it is a good way to go… Recent studies have shown that the individual investor rarely does better than you would do with a portfolio of a few different kinds of indexed funds. I have purchased individual stocks for many years, but rarely do so any more. Indexed funds for me now for the most part.

Yes, I believe in no load, low cost index funds as a great general investment and we do have a lot invested in that way. Bogleheads.org has a strong cadre that preaches this philosophy and it has made many of them very comfortably retired.

Index funds are mutual funds just a type of index funds.

8-11% still holds. I started investing in my retirement accounts in 1998 so after the big rise and not that long before the tech bust. I survived 2008 and some stagnant years. I’ve continued to put increasing percentages of my salary in my 403b and Roths. Yes, I’m closer to the 8% mark and I use 6% when I calculate my retirement balance but I think 8-9% is still doable over 30 years.

I invest in individual stocks only with money that is not in my retirement account or my safety savings. That doesn’t mean I’m speculative, which is really what I think the OP is looking at, but I can take more risk and not worry about diversification.

I read once that you need to spend an hour per week researching/monitoring every stock that you have an individual position in. I don’t think that’s a bad metric. I can do that for 2-3 stocks which is fine for extra investments but doesn’t provide the diversification necessary for retirement.

OP, lots of great advice in the 500 page “how much do I need in retirement” thread.

@DocT Index funds are my favorite kind of mutual fund. :slight_smile:

You are generally going to do better in things like index funds, etf funds and the like. I don’t agree that mutual funds and the like aren’t any better at picking stocks than the average investor, that isn’t true and especially these days. I don’t give a crap the tools that places like E trade and trade station and fidelity have for individual investors, with the size of the markets these days and the kind of rapid trading they are doing, as an individual investor you are at a disadvantage (and I have worked in the financial markets now for 30 years, and have seen the changes). On top of everything else, the big institutional investors, which include pension funds, mutual funds and the like, spend a lot of time and effort trying to not only achieve solid yields but isolate their trading from the broad based craziness that goes on in a world of flash trading (17 milisecond execution times) and algo systems that are trading various products against each other. I like what @sportsman88 said, when people ask me I usually tell them to load into their 401k as much as possible, do roth or regular IRA’s, and then with the money they are saving and investing themselves, take maybe 20% to play with investing individually, and put the others into diversified funds. I don’t give a crap what Jim Cramer and the talking heads say, you are playing against something that is probably less fair than Vegas or Atlantic city is. Even value stocks get hammered, this is not the market of X years ago. One method is to go with companies that pay dividends, so you have a return from that, but even that is not necessarily a solid strategy.

As far as the fintech companies go, I would be really careful with them, some of them may be transformative, but I wouldn’t be all that sure of that, and some of them strike me as being more like the online universities that have sprung up, the for profit schools, that are withering away on the vine when they were exposed with what they were, basically schemes to enroll students who otherwise couldn’t go to college, and take the various kinds of grants and such the kids were getting,and basically gave them nothing in return. A lot of those companies may turn out to be nothing more than electronic loan sharks, like the payday lenders. One thing I have seen over the years is claims of transformative things, 25 years ago all banking was supposed to be electronic, where banking would be a kiosk in a store or online, and brick and mortar banks would be dead, these days banks can’t seem to build enough branches, you turn around and all you see are banks, that are now open 7 days a week, late hours and so forth. I think it isn’t bad to find one of them and try your luck, I just wouldn’t play with more than you could afford to lose, I wouldn’t use them as a retirement strategy.

Happydad’s IRA is with E*Trade and he manages that himself with advice he gets from the Motley Fool “hidden gems” team. He seems to be enjoying the intellectual challenge.

happymom, I hope happydad knows when it is a good time to slam on the breaks and sell. It is a classical pump and dump thing. A la KREM. The last fool standing please turn out the light, as they say.

“Happydad’s IRA is with E*Trade and he manages that himself with advice he gets from the Motley Fool “hidden gems” team. He seems to be enjoying the intellectual challenge.”

I think that most people here manage their own accounts. I’ve moved all my 401k money into iras so that I have more control. I also invest in index etfs not index mutual funds.

@BunsenBurner - Oh, he learned some expensive lessons trying to pick his own stocks in the early 2000s. That’s why he’s following the Fools at present. Over all, his account has been moving steadily upward (some buy/sell and some buy/hold there). But to be honest, I think I’ve done just about as well with my IRA at TIAA-Cref which is half in a Russel 3000 index, and half in a TIAA real estate fund. We are decently diversified. His 401k is in a small cap index, his new federal retirement is in some federal bond thing.