Anyone NOT in top 10% get into UT Austin?

<p>It varies.
In 2008, 93% were Texas residents, 4% were non-residents, and 3% were international.
In 2009, 81% were Texas residents, 14% were non-residents, and 4% were international.
If you are really interested, you can read all about past admissions stats here: [Admissions</a> Research Home - UT Austin](<a href=“Research - University of Texas Admissions”>Research - University of Texas Admissions)</p>

<p>YoMamma, Congratulations on the Michigan acceptance. My in-state son has almost identical stats to your daughter (minus the athletic prowess but a bit higher on the class rank at an Exemplary HS) and he is also on the waitlist for Liberal Arts. I believe that when the final stats are in, we will find that it is much harder for a non-top 10 instate candidate than an OOS candidate this year. My guess is that well over 90% of the in-state admits are in the automatic top 10 category. On the bright side, last year 100% of the waitlist candidates (those that accepted wait list status) were eventually admitted - no guarantee that will happen this year.</p>

<p>It will be interesting to see how 2010 shapes up statistically, since in 2008 the Summer/Fall applicants IS were 22,560 and 11,301 were admitted. For OOS, 4,322 applied and only 1,006 were admitted. Those ratios are 2:1 vs. 4:1.</p>

<p>In 2009, I can’t find a breakdown of applied/admitted students, but for Summer/Fall admissions, 89.5% were IS, 7.3% OOS and 3.2% International.</p>

<p>Here is an interesting quote I took from the UT 209-2010 Statistical Handbook
[2009-2010</a> Statistical Handbook | Office of Information Management & Analysis](<a href=“http://www.utexas.edu/academic/ima/stat_handbook]2009-2010”>http://www.utexas.edu/academic/ima/stat_handbook)</p>

<p>“The percentage of entering freshmen (fall and summer entrants combined) from Texas high schools who were admitted under the Top 10% Law increased from 81.0% in fall 2008 to 85.6% in fall 2009”</p>

<p>Even when the final stats are in, it will still be rank speculation as to whether it is much harder for a non-top 10 instate candidate than an OOS candidate to be accepted. </p>

<p>I get the sense that some candidates don’t buy into the holistic approach that the admission office uses for non-automatic admits.</p>

<p>curlytoons: I get that sense, too. No matter what you say, no matter what stats you quote or evidence you present, there are some who believe that IS students are prevented from gaining admission by OOS/International students. But the reality is that any world-class university will benefit from diversity and that UT admits fewer OOS/International students compared to most large public universities (see my earlier post).</p>

<p>Please don’t consider my comments anti-OOS. I too believe that the University should have many more OOS and International students than the current percentages indicate. Furthermore, there is no doubt that it is tougher to get into UT OOS than IS in general. My only point was that the top 10 rule (soon to be changed) choked out many non- top 10 IS applicants to the point where I believe that the admittance rate (yes it is rank speculation) for non- top 10 IS applicants for this year will be lower than the very challenging OOS admittance rate. I also agree that you can’t just look at SAT scores and GPA’s as they are only a portion of the admission decision. Congratulations to all OOS admits.</p>

<p>^formertarheel: I certainly did not take your comment as anti-OOS. I think your point was valid and I agree completely that in all likelihood the top 10% rule has choked out some strong candidates. Our OOS high school (as I believe I mentioned in another thread) does not rank because the pool of academically strong students is so large it would be an artificial disadvantage (42 students – 12% of the senior class is NMF/NMSF/NMC; the GPA range between 10% and 15% could be no more than a few of hundredths of a point and 4.0+ GPAs go well beyond top 10% because of the large number of AP and Honors courses offered. You can see what the Top10% rule would do here.</p>

<p>I believe the Top 10% rule sounded like a good idea at the time, but, like much legislation, no one really thought it through. There are some apparent apples-to-oranges when you look at students across the Texas school systems and I can only guess at some of the motivation (to get more rural students accepted? more IS geographic diversity?). I suppose that dropping the top% admission requirement to 75% of the entering class will help, but I believe the concept is flawed.</p>

<p>PS. I didn’t think curlytoons was referring you in particular, but perhaps to other frequent poster(s)?</p>

<p>I’m thrilled that my OOS son got into Biomedical Engineering. He has excellent stats, but not awesome. His school doesn’t rank, either, and just gives a numerical, unweighted grade average. I have the feeling that he would not have been admitted to his first choice if he were in-state.</p>

<p>His younger brother doesn’t do as well in school. Unless he gets on the ball really quickly, I don’t think UT would accept him OOS.</p>

<p>VM–I actually have quite a bit of insight into the top 10% thing, as well as UT’s admission policies over the last 30 or so years. :wink: The 10% rule was the lege’s response to a series of court challenges over racial “targets” (or, as detractors say, quotas) for entering classes at UT and other public universities. The thought was that an across-the-board 10% rule should result in an entering class that roughly reflected the racial/demographic makeup of Texas high schools (or the top 10% thereof, anyhow–a subject for another thread!).</p>

<p>The problem, of course, is that TX public high schools aren’t exactly known for their excellence. My daughter & I are prime examples. I went to a small rural high school; there were 70 in my graduating class. My sister & I were the first generation in our family to go to college, and among only a handful who went to four-year colleges straight out of high school. I was far, FAR less academically prepared to suceed at UT than is my daughter, who graduated in a class of 500 from a top TX public school–one that, not coincidentally, is a top UT “feeder” school (sends 15% of its graduating class each yr to UT), since, for all its relative “excellence,” her hs only manages to send a handful each year (1% or less) each year to Ivies/top LACs.</p>

<p>It has been interesting to see how different colleges have viewed her record, however.</p>

<p>Frankly, I don’t think either UT or Michigan are great fits for her, due to her particular academic history/interests/needs. Tulane gave her a nice scholarship, and is lookin’ pretty good, IMHO…but she has 3 or 4 more to hear from. Ultimately, it’s her life/decision (repeating to self over and over !!!).</p>

<p>Oh–and, FWIW, the counselor at her hs, who obviously knows a LOT abt. UT admissions, told us that she expected this to be the VERY hardest year, future OR past, for non-top-10% IS students at UT. I interpreted that to mean that the percentage of 10% admits this year will approach or perhaps even reach 90%.</p>

<p>^YoMomma - Thanks for the great information and background. It is interesting, and I can assume that the legislature achieved the goal, though with some serious downside issues. I do feel sorry for some of these kids arriving thinking they are smart and ready only to realize three weeks in that they are NOT prepared.</p>

<p>As an OOS parent, though, I am, shocked and fascinated to discover that a high school sends 15% of their students to ONE state school. </p>

<p>About your postscript – My understanding is that this graduating class is the largest in US history and that it is the peak (numbers will begin to trend lower next year). So, theoretically, there are more students applying to college this year nationwide (although the economic downtown may take a toll there, sadly). I would think between that and the Top10% rule, it would definitely make things harder. I am just grateful that by the time DSII is ready for college apps (HS Class of 2015) maybe, just maybe, it will be a little less crazy/competitive.</p>

<p>i just realized theres a lot of moms on this site…</p>

<p>I got pretty lucky, I got into the business school. </p>

<p>Top 11~%
ACT 31
SAT 2070
3.3ish unweighted GPA
Okay extracurriculars, main thing being academic decathlon and scouting. </p>

<p>Took the hardest classes my school had to offer, so like 5 AP classes SR/JR year, 1 Freshman, 2 Sophomore.</p>

<p>Looking at some of the guys who got rejected, ouch. I was reading that they cap the number of top 10% people for the Business school. That probably helped out my case.</p>

<p>I dont think your kid taking hard classes got him in, i mean yea they helped his rank but to the admissions team i think they just look at the rank and sat and essays, i mean because how would they really know how hard the class was?</p>

<p>^pierrechn - To whom was your comment addressed? blackderbyhat is a student, not a parent. </p>

<p>FWIW: Generally speaking, Adcoms DO look at academic rigor of your course load vs. academic rigor available to you (e.g., if you took 5 APs and your school only offers 5 AP classes, then that’s to your benefit. If you took 3 APs and your school offers 25 AP classes, that demonstrates less willingness to take on a challenging curriculum.) And yes, they have access to that information.</p>

<p>My school doesn’t even rank.
I’m out of state and I got in. :P</p>

<p>SAT: 2130</p>

<p>@vailsmom post wasnt directed AT HER</p>

<p>TOp 10% was really made to get minorities in Top Texas Colleges, while @vailsmom maybe be right about the whole not being prepared thing, this isnt just for kids in Texas probably
30%-60% of first time college students are not prepared, but half the time it isnt that they dont know the material, its just TIME MANAGEMENT/ once they get that down they will do just aswell as they did in HS</p>

<p>and Vailsmom since its going to be the Top 8% rule next year that is one step, but i honestly dont see it going below 8% , but then again the lowest it may possibly go in My opinion is top 5%(but heck this would take years, you see how long it took to get to 8)</p>

<p>i think every state should have some sort of Top 10 rule</p>

<p>I was completely shocked that I got in even to my second choice major in engineering. The top 10% rule is like religion and I am only in the top 16% at my school, although I go to plano senior so anything above top 25% is an accomplishment. But i only have a 3.98 GPA and got an 1880 on the SAT’s. Fortunately both my dad, and sister graduated from UT and with honors. As for those kids that got 2100’s on their SAT’s, I’m guessing they probably had very few to no extra-curriculars. My guess is that UT looks for well-rounded students outside of the top 10%.</p>

<p>plenty of well rounded kids have 2100s, i need to go to plano for a day, so i can see if its as tough as people on this site make it seem.</p>

<p>not sure how you got in UT but good for you</p>

<p>I wasn’t saying that all kids that get 2100’s on the SAT aren’t well-rounded, just that those few might not have been. But anyways the point i was trying to make is that it’s not just about rank and GPA obviously since I got in.</p>