<p>Is it possible to appeal to reverse a rejection from Yale?</p>
<p>I assume that it is, but it is usually not worth it to do so.</p>
<p>At Stanford it is not possible so I assume the same is true for Yale.</p>
<p>To have any consideration, you’d have to provide evidence that there was a substantial mistake in your file such as transcript or reported scores. Given this year’s likely >9% admit rate, the rest of your file better be stellar and the “mistake” was the only thing that kept you back.</p>
<p>Unless they have changed their policy in the last few years, all admission decisions at Yale are final. No appeals allowed.</p>
<p>You can appeal the decisions at some schools, but for the Ivies and other top universities, they will not even let you request to be put on the wait-list. The top schools get so many wonderful applicants that most of the rejected ones would feel that they deserved to be at Yale more than the others, which would mean that a large population of students would be appealing the decision, so the universities cannot allow that.</p>
<p>My best friend got into Yale EA last year, ended up not going due to a family circumstance, reapplied RD this year with a nearly identical app and was rejected. All of us close to him are confused and outraged. I feel if there is any case that could be considered for appeal it’s this one.</p>
<p>Why did your friend not defer his acceptance for a year?</p>
<p>Because his parents made him choose another school on the basis of financial aid. He left that school because he was profoundly unhappy and had decided midway through fall term to take a gap year. It makes sense to me that he figured if you got in once, you could get in twice.</p>
<p>Depends on the strength of the applicants that year. Thats what the waiting list is basically, applicants who are technically up to par with the Yale standard but unable to be admitted because there are even stronger applicants. He may have been strong enough for that year, and not this one.</p>
<p>And a lot of it is really just luck. There are so many factors you can’t predict (down to the mood of the reviewers, whether you’re the 1st or 14th debater whose file they read, etc…) Its definitely a lightning never strikes twice for most. He should have deferred his admission to 08 but honestly I don’t think thats enough to warrant a successful appeal.</p>
<p>He could not have deferred admission. His folks would not have let him. And they don’t get much stronger than this applicant, to be perfectly honest. Intel STS semifinalist, NMS and Achievement Scholar, 4.0, president of the class, fluent in 3 languages, runs science clubs for middle school students, accomplished musician. This guy would be tops in any applicant pool. Besides, they didn’t even offer him a waitlist spot. It was an outright rejection. This kid reapplied to colleges this year, got into Stanford and Georgetown and Princeton, all schools he got into last year, and not into Yale? Something’s fishy here, it seems to me.</p>
<p>Hate to say this, but there’s nothing fishy here. Its college admission to an ivy- its a crapshot for everyone (except maybe if you’re elite varsity- not joking either).</p>
<p>And while you friend has the stats…so do most serious applicants. He seems great but certainly not tops, I’d even say run-of-the-mill. Its not a reflection of him but of the talent pool he’s competing against. Check the decision threads all over. We have 2380-scoring valedictorian who have worked on scientific fellowships, or funded their own companies and turned 6-figure profit margins getting rejected while 2100s with either greater or lesser achievements are getting in. People forget that its a hollistic process.</p>
<p>Nothing guarantees admission, not even getting admitted the year before. Not stats, not essays, not recommendations, not urm status, or even 4th generation legacy status. Any one of those factors can make it or break it for an applicant.</p>
<p>Sounds like your friend has some GREAT options in front of him. Advice him to focus on that instead of thinking that he was wronged by Yale.</p>
<p>He doesn’t sound particularly different from other applicants. Our class’s valedictorian with top national sport rankings as well as academic awards got rejected despite acceptance to H. Yale’s RD rate was especially low this year (5.6%) because of the increase in SCEA applicants. I know that I probably would never have been accepted had I not applied SCEA, even though I also made it into Pton RD. It’s generally harder to get in RD but especially so this year.</p>
<p>To believe that one “deserves” to go to any of these schools is outright arrogance, unless one has published in Science or something. And maybe not even then.</p>
<p>Well my friend himself is really down but not as upset as those who love and support him. We of course want the best for him, and recognizing his talent we feel this rejection after an initial acceptance makes no sense. He is a humble, sweet boy who doesn’t feel he deserves anything besides a fair shake. We are the ones who want the appeal because he is too humble to ask for it himself.
The idea that ALL elite admissions is a crap shoot is dubious. He, for example, was admitted to 5 ivies, stanford, and MIT last year, and was able to get back into stanford, princeton, georgetown, and UVA (the only other schools to which he applied besides Yale) with a quantitatively identical resume and a qualitatively stronger app (due to new better essays and from his experiences in his time off). It’s a crapshoot when you don’t have the goods, like he does. Besides what I listed above, his application reads like he’s the second coming. No joke. Plus coming from a difficult family background I don’t see how colleges could have seen him as anything but a rockstar.
I am of course super proud of him for all of his accomplishments and the choices he now has, but Yale had always been his first choice and it kills me to have seen it in his grasp only to have it taken away.</p>
<p>A lot of schools, especially the Ivies, look down upon students if they take a year off. Perhaps that was his downfall…</p>
<p>Besides, the applicant pool this year was much larger and much stronger than last year, so while he may have been the best candidate last year, he clearly was not this year. I feel bad for him because it wasn’t really his choice, but so it goes…</p>
<p>Ok, you need to tone it down, sweetie. “his application reads like he’s the second coming”. Oy. I’d call you a ■■■■■ but you generally seem sincere in believing that so we’re gonna go the ‘education’ route.</p>
<p>He may be the best thing since peanut butter in your tri-state area but he’s nothing special when it comes to admissions. And thats just that. Note that this doesn’t mean that a 4.0 achievement scholar is not a wonderful applicant…just that despite the fact that is farts may in fact smell like daisies, he is just one in literally tens of thousands of nearly identical files with people with the same great stats. </p>
<p>Bottom line? They almost ALL have the goods. And that’s really all there is to it.</p>
<p>Great stats are a dime a dozen (the 2.7 GPAS don’t apply to these schools)…its almost the same thing for the kids with difficult backgrounds rising above it. It’s admirable as hell but hardly unique. So once more with feeling…crapshoot. Having all those things merely puts you in the three-story high “has a chance” pile versus the “no chance” pile.</p>
<p>Getting accepted in the past or to another similarly ranked school doesn’t mean you’re gonna get in. If it was that cut and dry, the collegeboard would deal with all admissions and just send a list out to the universities telling them what kids to take. Kids get into Yale, and rejected from Cornell. Others into Harvard and rejected from NYU (Saw it with my own eyes…still not sure I completely understand that one). </p>
<p>The class leadership, in-depth involvement in school life which 10 years ago was a big plus, is no the standard for applicants who get the same recommendations from every counselor when asked ''what are the top universities looking for?". (generalized for emphasis).</p>
<p>So to sum up: There’s nothing about your friend or any other applicant that makes him the messiah of adcoms :rolleyes:. Accept this fact.</p>
<p>I don’t know about Yale, but here I can tell you that transfer adcoms don’t look too kindly to their decisions being appealed on the basis that the applicant “is the second coming”.</p>
<p>You’re proud of him, I get that. But if you really want to “be there” for him: Drop the arrogance and help your friend deal with the rejection (like thousands of equally capable applicants are doing) and move on to one of his other very appealing options.</p>
<p>There’s being a good friend, and then there’s just being petulant.</p>
<p>undisclosed, please don’t patronize me. Besides, there is more to my friend’s story than I was willing to post all over cyberspace. I don’t appreciate you writing him off based on anecdotal evidence. This kid did this, and this kid did that. So? I am asking about my friend’s case and am totally uninterested in hearing facts I already know. There is really is substance to this complaint, substance that goes beyond what’s on his resume and the quality of teacher recs and his essays. It’s difficult to explain, and most of it is deeply personal to my friend. To reveal anymore about his situation would be a disservice to him, and frankly posting to CC hasn’t been helpful and instead I’ve been getting dime-store admissions experts jumping down my throat over a really serious issue. So I’ll leave this thread with this: I did not provide all of the circumstances of this case, so I am partially to blame for the negativity I’ve been getting. However, it’s been my experience college admissions is more cut and dry than most people think, and though elite colleges are more selective, they still operate along the same lines as less selective schools. Thanks to those of you who’ve been gracious. I’m going out now with my pal to get some ice cream and drown our sorrows in a sea of Ben & Jerry’s!</p>
<p>what’s Ben & Jerry’s? :)</p>
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<p>You refered to your friend as, and I quote, “the second coming” to adcoms. I think we left patronization, super-ego and arrogance quite a few blocks back.</p>
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<p>I didn’t. Yale did. 
Read my post again I congratulated him on his many achievements and said that he had great prospects to look forward to and a bright future at any of the other schools like Stanford that accepted him.</p>
<p>I’m sorry if that seemed patronizing, but I just gave you the honest-to-god truth you desperately don’t want to hear…If it offended, well I’ll just make an offering at the statue after sunset.</p>
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<p>We got that loud and clear. You want people to be outraged that your friend didn’t get into Yale and start an online petition to get him an appeal. Problem is, he has no basis to. The facts are what you need to hear in the case.</p>
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<p>I say this as a friend, there’s really not. They didn’t get the transcripts of another student with the same name who happened to have a C+ average, there wasn’t a huge database error as far as I know…A good applicant got rejected. It sucks, I get that. But so did about 18,000 others two days ago. That is not basis for an appeal. </p>
<p>And I don’t really see the need since he got into 5 other freaking schools!! The real disservice here is continuing to bang on the one door that he didn’t get in. You’re approaching admissions as an entitlement for your friend when its simply not. I’m pretty sure you’d be appealing Stanford if it was Stanford he didn’t get into. And thats just…silly.</p>
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<p>Nooo, you’ve been getting dime-store admissions expert, explaining to you why an appeal is not warranted (or even possible, I think) in this situation no matter how great of an applicant you feel your friend was.</p>
<p>You already got input from the * real * admissions expert two days ago when that rejection email came in. </p>
<p>I’m not being a ■■■■■■ here (well, I’m not * trying * to be a ■■■■■■ here) but you don’t always hear what you want to hear in life.</p>
<p>To conclude : ** Realy, reeeeeally wanting to go to Yale is NOT basis for appeal. **</p>
<p>Thank you, and good night.</p>
<p>Does anyone know about appealing a decision to University of Virginia???
Sibling goes there, 3.75 GPA, talented vocalist!?</p>