<p>oh, okay then, makes sense.</p>
<p>Not sure what the new marketing campaign would look like though:</p>
<p>“Cornell- you probably actually won’t commit suicide”.</p>
<p>LOL. I think outreach in general, and well-thought out info sessions (especially by college–I’ve been to awful ones and very good ones) could help–a more welcoming feel/attitude. </p>
<p>DS2 could, based on NMCS status, notify his 2 top schools with an expression of interest when he was a junior. One responded in a very welcoming way. All he heard from Cornell was crickets. This seems like a missed opportunity to reach out to students with a demonstrated interest and at least some academic credentials (admittedly a very small piece of information).</p>
<p>One thing that’s always puzzled me is why people seem to trash Ithaca, but love Hanover. Ithaca is a much more vibrant, eclectic place, with at least as much scenic beauty. Somehow, the outdoorsy types seem to think Hanover is the place to go. I also think Cornellians graduate with a work ethic that is respected in the wider world. Just a few ideas in case the marketing director is reading this :-).</p>
<p>i’ve noticed that some schools, like uchicago and MIT, have representatives on these forums. cornell does not. i think that could be cool.</p>
<p>and yeah, i didn’t get one single piece of advertisement from cornell, but i’ve literally gotten email/mail from like every other top school. or at least there’s not a single other top 15 school that i can remember not getting mail from. </p>
<p>cornell needs to advertise more.</p>
<p>I wonder if part of it is having to commit to a certain school when applying? Many students are just not ready to do that and there are no guaranteed transfers. And that means more essays when applying if they go for the back up college option.</p>
<p>Also, I wonder if the suicides caused some parents, teachers or guidance counselors to steer kids away from Cornell who are beginning their college search. I have to say I think the administration, staff and students have been extremely responsible and effective at addressing the issue and making some changes. </p>
<p>That said, I am always surprised that Cornell does not get more applications becuase it is larger, it has many majors that other schools don’t have and it has a fantastic reputation within majors. i.e. Cornell’s engineering program is rated higher than all other ivies by USNWR–if people go by that. And of course, Ithaca is beautiful, diverse, and vibrant.</p>
<p>I know when D was looking and even when she was accepted, she got a lot more love from the other schools than Cornell. Cornell just seemed indifferent. As a parent when I had questions about things during the process and after acceptance, it was often more difficult to get an answer from Cornell. Other schools got back to me within an hour most times. Cornell felt more bureaucratic and less customer focused. And when I am paying 56K/yr, I want to be treated like a valued customer.</p>
<p>“I wonder if part of it is having to commit to a certain school when applying?”</p>
<p>The need to apply to a specific college there has not changed from during the prior years when applications were substantially increasing.</p>
<p>“That said, I am always surprised that Cornell does not get more applications …”</p>
<p>I donno, Cornell has been getting a huge number of applications. </p>
<p>“I know when D was looking and even when she was accepted, she got a lot more love from the other schools than Cornell. Cornell just seemed indifferent.”</p>
<p>Our experience was different. To me,all the very top schools seemed indifferent, Cornell seemed no different one way or the other. It was the smaller schools that showed love. Them, plus mucho spam from Emory and Chicago if you call that love.</p>
<p>“and yeah, i didn’t get one single piece of advertisement from cornell”
My son did, a few mailings. Same amount as other top schools, maybe one or two more actually.</p>
<p>“Also, I wonder if the suicides caused some parents, teachers or guidance counselors to steer kids away from Cornell who are beginning their college search.”</p>
<p>Quite possibly.</p>
<p>UChicago’s were quite entertaining.</p>
<p>Yeah, they did send some interesting stuff. Have you seen their application supplemental essay questions? They’re crazy…I’m kind of glad I didn’t apply there and have to write them, though they are entertaining.</p>
<p>Yale and a few other places sent me these really thick bound things that were almost like paperback books. It’s such a waste of paper.</p>
<p>I meant their emails.</p>
<p>no big deal here with the numbers of applicants
cornell had large gains in the years past.<br>
yeah, they probably should have increased more as well in applications this year.<br>
this year was relatively flat, no big deal, still very popular with approx 37,000 applications.
cornell will always be popular and one of the best universities in the country and the world.
let us not forget that it was just a few years ago that Cornell was the “hottest ivy”</p>
<p>[25</a> Hottest Universities - Newsweek](<a href=“http://www.newsweek.com/2007/08/15/25-hottest-schools.html]25”>25 Hottest Universities)</p>
<p>it always will be a great University - amongst the best.</p>
<p>i thought we already established that but ok</p>
<p>The admissions rate for the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences is usually higher than CAS, right?</p>
<p>CAS is basically the hardest to get into of the major colleges at Cornell in terms of admissions rate. CAS at Cornell being an Arts & Science college like the rest of the ivys, they get into the cross applications with the other ivys. CALS is not easy to get in, but definitely easier than CAS.
<a href=“http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf</a></p>
<p>It is interesting on having to apply to specific colleges especially when you are interested in a couple of fields that require a heavy commit right by applying there. I think most specifically of if you choose to apply to college of engineering or AAS then you are really locked into a pretty specific focus. My D initially wanted to go to AAS as she is really interested in sustainable design, but the cross application process was such that Cornell was the only college that if she found out she was not committed to Architecture (as its pretty intensive) or wanted to first explore sustainablity, such as in environmental studies (which in most colleges is offered in CAS) she would have to apply to CALS, but the good thing is being interested in sustainable design and going to CALS she can persue the full environmental engineering degree if she chooses and then could go for masters in architecture-if she decides to really go insane that is, i man if you have the engineerin (civl and env covered) then the architecture, you could be a one woman wrecking crew. But anyway, specialization IMHO, is a slight draw back for kids as I feel that gettting the full dose of what the world is all about in the first 2 years, as is done in the more traditional liberal arts ivies, is the more sure footed approach. Seems a reasonable trade off and given the task of pulling together a portfolio and other concerns about correct order or learning it made sense to pick CALS (there are still a number of ares to study). The one odd thing I noted is they state OOS applicants pay full price for all 4 years for a subsidized state college. I believe almost every state college allows students to declare residency after one year so this to me seems a bit odd. I was a native of NY when I appled and was waitlisted to CALS so never know about OOS, but affordability was a huge issue for me at that time and I think it was sometimes harder to get into CALS if the suspected you were going pre-med pretending to go ag/veteranary route…some thoughts anyway–it is this way in many colleges if you are on fence on engineering and its also odd in that most of the ivies engineering schools are not top 10 other than Cornell–that is what keeps it attractive in my view…Stanford if it were on East Coast might win as it is top 10 in everything i believe.</p>
<p>hi waitlistman, i think you mean AAP not AAS?</p>
<p>As we enter the world of the Ivy League with our third child, I am somewhat amazed by all the insecurities of people who have chosen Cornell. Whether it’s the discussion of “lower tier Ivies” or how many kids did/didn’t apply - I’m sort of surprised! We took our son up there to look at what CORNELL had to offer - and were not at all interested in what athletic conference it competes in. We looked at the programs, the feel, the town, and picked it totally on those merits. Rankings were not important to us. Cornellians past, present, and future - appreciate the university for what it is. Don’t worry so much about what others think or how it’s ranked. It has so much to offer to so many different kinds of people. How it ranks to the individual students is all that matters. All this negativity hasn’t taken anything from our excitement about having a student there next year, but it is puzzling and a little humorous. Have confidence in your choices and pick the school best for you based on what you want and not how it’s viewed by people who have no impact on your life!</p>
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<p>Almost nobody here cares. Everyone here is busy and occupied with things of more substance and importance, than to worry about this so-called ‘insecurities’ associated with Cornell’s perceived rankings.</p>
<p>^did you read my post??? I’m not trying to be an elitist, but am wondering why there’s so much insecurity about Cornell’s position as an Ivy League school. No excuses are necessary…read this thread and this one:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/1067561-cornell-less-regarded-among-elite-but-well-known-among-commoners.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/1067561-cornell-less-regarded-among-elite-but-well-known-among-commoners.html</a></p>
<p>Wow ok. Ivy league is just an athletic conference. Everyone just thinks it means more than just that and think that ivy league is synonymous with top school one way or another. That thread is a disgrace to Cornell and it’s started by someone that’s not even going to Cornell. Please stop digging up the dirt and stop bringing up an inferiority complex that is not there. You are adding to the list of negative stereotypes about Cornell that are pretty much based on rumors. Seriously all of us should stop making such paranoid comments and get on with our lives. I don’t see any other school forum in CC having such types of threads. Once you get in, nobody cares about this sort of thing, so worry about getting in first.</p>
<p>Edit: the thing is just getting into a good college alone would not help you much if you do poorly inside the college. You have to rely on more than the prestige of the school alone to do well in life.</p>
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<p>I repeat. Almost nobody feels insecure about attending Cornell. Some don’t like it here for location, weather, work load, lack of hot girls, etc. But, very rarely would someone feel insecure or not like the school mainly because of being a ‘lesser ivy’ as Cornell is described in some random internet boards.</p>
<p>“But anyway, specialization IMHO, is a slight draw back for kids as I feel that gettting the full dose of what the world is all about in the first 2 years, as is done in the more traditional liberal arts ivies, is the more sure footed approach.”</p>
<p>Then apply to Cornell CAS, which is its liberal arts college. As far as I know, none of the other 'traditional liberal arts ivies" have a fully-accredited undergrad architecture program. You could not go to one of them to get the same program of studies. It is true that early commit is a disadvantage of such specialized programs for those unsure, but an advantage for those who want to commit and are right. It it is certainly something to be considered, for such programs.</p>
<p>" I believe almost every state college allows students to declare residency after one year so this to me seems a bit odd."</p>
<p>I believe you are incorrect. In many, if not most states, they are not so stupid as to let people easily circumvent residency requirements to get lower tuition.</p>