<p>“I am somewhat amazed by all the insecurities of people who have chosen Cornell. Whether it’s the discussion of “lower tier Ivies” or how many kids did/didn’t apply”</p>
<p>Recently, since the enrollment #s have started being released, I’ve seen discussions aobut the #s on virtually every college sub-forum I’'ve visited.You are insinuating this is somehow unusual but it isn’t. The natures of those discussions are driven by the nature of the results, obviously. But there is nothing to be amazed about.</p>
<p>“Discussion” of these other matters generally comes from ■■■■■■ coming on a sub-forum making offensive an inflammatory comments. Someone invariably takes exception which is only obvious and human nature in the face of offensive and inflammatory comments. Whereupon they are accused of being “defensive” simply because they responded against the slander.</p>
<p>IMO it is not so much people being defensive, as intruders being offensive, and then doubling down on the offense by slandering those who take legitimate exception to their offense, because the responders simply do not agree.</p>
<p>One can still take classes across colleges. I’m an AEM major who is taking Mandarin and a math course this semester. Sure, I’ll have to take a lot more AEM courses later, but for now I’m reveling in other areas.</p>
<p>Just need to remember this is a very small subset of Cornellians, past, present and future, and some who are none of those but need to in some elevate their own status by putting others down. Cornell is the first “American university” which combined practical study with liberal arts, accepted men and women from the outset, and also African Americans, Jews and various ethnic groups which were often shunned at other elite colleges. Its students exhibit a wide array of intelligences, from those who aced high school, to those with emotional intelligence, entrepreneurial spirit, and those who can make anything out of fabric or balsa wood. A great preparation for real life, in which most of us will work with people of differing strengths and abilities.</p>
<p>The majority of Cornell students receive financial aid, with average grant being over 20k a year. This would make the cost of attending Cornell, on average, not too much more expensive than a regular state school. And, if you ain’t getting a penny of fin aid from Cornell and really have to pay 56k a year, I think you are better off going to a state college. No college is worth 200k of tuition, imo.</p>
<p>Person who pointed out AAP, right not AAS. Monydad, the only reason is that CAS is one of the few arts and science colleges where they don’t offer environmental studies and again CALS has the advantage of allowing a student to persue slightly greater num of electives and to be cross registered to the school of engineering so CALS won by that flexibility. It was also noted that students who elect a second choice are only admitted to it 1-2 percent of time so anyone on the fence has pretty much got to bite the bullet and make the choice up front. If there were a bit more flexibility internally transferring between colleges in sophomore year i thinki it might benefit Cornell’s enrollment as many 17 or 18 year olds just are not 100 percent sure what they want to do, I agree in that case CAS is the better choice, for my D not having env. studies precluded the choice as she is sure she wants to investigate that field and potentially persue engineering from there, and there is still the choice of biological and life sciences so its not too bad. Thanks for advice. I don’t think anyone considers Cornell a lesser ivy-it has always had a rap for suicides, the canyon has been named suicide canyon since I attended a nearby college in 1978, then pre-meds who were not making the grade, now maybe engineering. Adolescent depression is still very under addressed in most colleges- the only negative I have heard regarding Cornell is the concept of reverse curves, that seems to me to be a bit harsh, if a kid gets a B why push it to a C plus by intentionally putting in ringer questions–have heard this from friends who attended and my family goes 4 generations back there with me being only one who did not get in as a legacy–senioritis and the 70s alas. Ciao.</p>
<p>“…the canyon has been named suicide canyon since I attended a nearby college in 1978”</p>
<p>I have never in my life heard that name, until your post just now. And I was there on campus at that very time. I fear that was an innovation of your nearby college.</p>
<p>“the concept of reverse curves” never hear that either, but the intro science courses were curved for sure</p>
<p>“intentionally putting in ringer questions”
Actually I did feel that way too, about intro bio, back in the day when I took it there.
Recently I took it again, elsewhere, to scrape off the cobwebs, and this new place also uses “finely honed” questions that some may feel are of that ilk. But I did great now.
In retrospect, I think maybe I just wasn’t up to it at the time, and was maybe less well prepared than I thought I was. After all, some people had sufficient knowledge and brains to answer those so-called “ringer questions” correctly, I just didn’t happen to be among them. The ones who got them right can be happy that their superior comprehension of the subject was rewarded there. The others like me were left to huff and puff about 'ringer questions", aka sour grapes.</p>
<p>For decades, a lot of emphasis has been put on certain aspects of intelligence such as logical reasoning, math skills, spatial skills, understanding analogies, verbal skills etc. Researchers were puzzled by the fact that while IQ could predict to a significant degree academic performance and, to some degree, professional and personal success, there was something missing in the equation. Some of those with fabulous IQ scores were doing poorly in life; one could say that they were wasting their potential by thinking, behaving and communicating in a way that hindered their chances to succeed.</p>
<p>One of the major missing parts in the success equation is emotional intelligence, a concept made popular by the groundbreaking book by Daniel Goleman, which is based on years of research by numerous scientists such as Peter Salovey, John Meyer, Howard Gardner, Robert Sternberg and Jack Block, just to name a few. For various reasons and thanks to a wide range of abilities, people with high emotional intelligence tend to be more successful in life than those with lower EIQ even if their classical IQ is average."</p>
<p>Basically, EQ is your ability to play well with others. Many Cornellians may have this, but I would guess there is a particularly large cluster at the Hotel School.</p>
<p>I just don’t get how you can demonstrate that to a college and get accepted based on that. Unless you mean it’s something like sociability – there are tons of kids that are very sociable but don’t get in top schools because they are academically poor.</p>
<p>Didn’t mean to suggest this was necessarily a measurable quality on an application. What I meant was, your idea of what constitutes intelligence may change after getting to know people who didn’t take 11 APs (or maybe they did), but who can run a dairy farm, design a green building, make a jacket that a blind child can manage without help, throw a spectacular weekend event for industry bigwigs, etc. There’s a lot to learn from people who are not studying liberal arts or engineering, and that’s part of what makes Cornell such an interesting place and different from other Ivy League universities. Just keep an open mind.</p>
<p>It’s surprising to hear that a lot of people did not hear about cornell much. From the time I started TOK (January '10) until about the time ED applications were due I got soooo much info in the mail from COrnell, UChicago, UPenn, Yale, Columbia (almost enough to sway me), and other East side schools that I didn’t know what to do with it! (Red herring: hArvard was too cool to send me anything more than an application -_-)
But honestly, I didn’t realize that Cornell didn’t really market themselves like the other schools… Maybe they don’t want to get on-the-fence people and want their applicants to have an honest interest in going to Ithaca?
Eh, who knows. No me importa, porque ya voy a Ithaca este agosto o septiembre(think i said it right?).</p>
<p>@gomestar: i think it might be a record number of apps for cornell. i mean, last year was a record number wasn’t it? and well, this year we got more apps than last year. it’s just that we got about .3% more lol. </p>
<p>cornell’s overall acceptance rate is still going to hover around 18% i think</p>
<p>Just chiming into this discussion, but I don’t think Cornell is going to be spending any additional marketing dollars to increase that number either. They will focus resources in areas where they need more applications (URM, region of the country, etc.) but there is just a finite pool of applicants. </p>
<p>Also remember that the demographic of those applying to college peaked two years ago and will continue to decline. Cornell still receives more applications than any of those in the “Ivy Plus” (the eight Ivies, MIT, Stanford), so eventually a ceiling has to be hit.</p>