<p>“…with a small occasional sprinkle of anecdotal evidence…”</p>
<p>True, and the occasional sprinkle does not and may not constitue institutional bias. However, in real life when that small sprinkle competes against AA kid head-on from the same school, that sprinkle becomes the real casuality of social engineering. I can provide few acecdotal sprinkles for just 3 admission cycles.</p>
<p>With all these talk about Asians, let me throw a question into the hat.
What if my name is John Smith but I am of Asian descent with 12.5% Spanish blood (Spain not South America). I am a first generation American and both my parents are from various parts of Southeast Asia.
I am interested in Humanities and not Math or Sciences.</p>
<p>So when I apply to college:1) Do I leave the Race part blank since it is optional. But they may think I am white.
2)Do I check the box for Asian and compete intensely with all my fellow Asians? But I may have a chance since my interest is in humanities???
3)Do I check the box for Others and list the various ethnicity/countries that applies to my parents and my ancestors</p>
<p>1,2 or 3 ? In applying to colleges, we of course want to put forth something that optimizes our chances .</p>
<p>It seems that some parents are so ready to defend admission policy even when there was no direct complaint, not from me, anyway. Asians are disadvantaged but through shear hardwork and numbers become the overrepresented minority. We don’t complaint, accept it as a life challenge and did the best we could. No lawsuits or allegations. Is that a trait present only in Asians, working against adversity and excelling? No. All people possess that capacity. But as long as we talking about admission, if anyone feels another minority group has to pay a higher price for success in college admission, name that group, please.</p>
<p>I live in NYC. We have wonderful public magnets here. Most have high percentages of Asian students because, for the most part, admissions is based on scores on an admissions exam.</p>
<p>When college admissions time rolls around, you’d have to be a real ostrich if you didn’t note that the Asian kids–especially the “typical” Asian kids–do not do as well as whites in the process. It’s EXTREMELY unfair. </p>
<p>If an Asian-American male excels in math and science, plays tennis and a musical instrument and wants to be an engineer, he’s not going to do as well as his white counterpart with EXACTLY the same stats and ECs, even if the white kid is US born with two college-educated parents and the Asian kid is an immigrant who came to the US at the age of 8-10 speaking not a word of English and has parents who speak only limited English and can’t read or write in it. </p>
<p>Yes, my evidence is anecdotal. But I suspect that anyone who lives in an area with a high concentration of Asian-Americans has seen the same thing.</p>
<p>“We don’t complaint, accept it as a life challenge and did the best we could. No lawsuits or allegations.”</p>
<p>May be because we believe in fate or karma?</p>
<p>Asians are the new Jews. Once the Ivies started using primarily academic criteria for applicant evaluation, panic set in when their WASP population was displaced by short, skinny, unmanly Jewish kids from New York and Boston, who were hugely overrepresented relative to their population frequency. That led to the present model of student evaluation that gives major weight to non-academic criterion. This, of course, is counter-intuitive - why would an elite institute of higher learning consider anything BUT academic criteria? However, the fact of the matter is that most people do not want to go where everyone is the same. Diversity in a student population is highly valued by its constituent members (because it makes it more interesting). That is, once they get in…</p>
<p>Paraphrase: “Asians are the new Jews…”. </p>
<p>What is the impact to Asians, what is the impact to non-asians, and US as a whole ?</p>
<p>If it is permissible under law to exclude a white student because of his race and include a lesser qualified black student because of his race in order to establish diversity, then surely it is permissible under law to exclude an asian student because of his race and include a lesser qualified latino, white, or other student because of his race in order to establish diversity.</p>
<p>If asians don’t like it, then they have established their equality – they are treated just like whites are treated. I guess you could say equality is overrated.</p>
<p>AA (Afirmative Action) criteria are factored into public schools (eg the UC’s) admission policy. It takes the holistic approach, that socio-econ background be a factor. Socio-econ status is a code-word for URM. For example, if you are borned to poor hispanic working class parents and have no access to good high schools and AP classes and other resources like SAT preps, and have few role models to look after, very little opportunity for EC’s, many of your classmates are into gangs, you are scared just to walk home from school, you are disadvantaged and I favor if you show the drive and success in that limited environment, schools should not compare you SAT point by SAT point to others who have access and support to better their scores and EC’s. I believe that and I believe many parents do too. What I am interested in is how these kids, who were admitted under disadvantaged circumstances, compete in the long run against privilleged kids in the selective schools.</p>
<p>Does anyone have statistics for that ?</p>
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May be because we believe in fate or karma?"</p>
<p>yes. i believe that some time in this life, i will get advantages on SOMETHING.</p>