<p>^^ Black women tend to date exclusively with black males(most of the time), while black males are more open to different races.</p>
<p>^ Are you thinking that is all about a black women’s choice? You should read the "kid’s " opinions on that.</p>
<p>^ Yeah, other races don’t want black women. That’s the other reason</p>
<p>performersmom - your link did nt come across.</p>
<p>woeishe - Are you staying in school or trying to repeat 11th?</p>
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<p>And that’s back when a 790 Verbal meant something. ;)</p>
<p>Recentered that’s something like 850, I think. :)</p>
<p>^^ I’m staying. It’s the best option.</p>
<p>^Agreed…</p>
<p>Hahah that Canadian girl in performersmom’s article didn’t want to go to U of T because white kids party more.</p>
<p>of course, the new norm is 850, 850, 800 for a total of 2500 but some kids still think 2400 is the best score. go figure.</p>
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<p>Silly kids.</p>
<p>Next year I think I’ll take the GRE for fun. I’m shooting for a 340.</p>
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<p>OT, but my son found that the essay portion of the Writing test counted for relatively little. His writing score never changed from an 8 over the course of three tests, but his total score went from 600 to 790. It is my recollection that the multiple-choice portion of the test was largely centered on grammar (and he got a perfect score on that portion when he got a 790).</p>
<p>For the record, I want everyone to know that I HAVE changed my mind multiple times as I have read every entry on this thread.</p>
<p>Not about URMs because I still believe that AA is necessary and desirable for some during the admission process. That hasn’t changed at all.</p>
<p>I have gone back and forth on whether Asians are discriminated vs. Whites in the admission process. Currently, I guess I am leaning towards maybe, subconsciously.</p>
<p>I love Fabrizio’s endurance on this issue although I wish he would focus less on URMs and more on Asian vs. Whites. Also, I wish I had a better stats background because I really can’t understand much of what Siserune is saying :)</p>
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<p>“The Asian” point of view presumes that all Asians think alike on this issue. I gave you two prominent counterexamples: Jerry KANG and Frank WU. They are hardly alone when it comes to Asians’ supporting racial preferences for "URM"s. No, there is no “the Asian” point of view. Rather, there is “an Asian” point of view, one for each (Asian) individual.</p>
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Would it assuage your feelings if this were rephrased as “the view, asserted over and over again by countless Asian students on CC?” It seems to me trivially true that while each person is an individual and that there are always exceptions to every generalization, there are views that are largely shared by identifiable groups. Some people don’t like this to be mentioned–which is, I suppose, why fabrizio struggles so mightily against the idea that Asians disproportionately choose certain majors, etc. I admire the idealism, but I think it should be tempered with a bit of realism.</p>
<p>I don’t believe Asians are discriminated against anybody else (I am Asian). If Ivies don’t take them, there are lots of other schools out there that are equally good irrespective of what USNWS says. I would be happy to send my kid to U Texas (admission is already guaranteed), a great school which has an endowment second only to Harvard (will save us 150k to boot as a great incentive).</p>
<p>I am not against AA. I believe economic factors should be added to race when using AA. There is a generation of parents who have risen above their difficulties associated with race and have done well for themselves. I don’t believe their offspring should be given a consideration as part of AA pool when there are so many other poor people that deserve the chance to do better for themselves. So if there is a weightage being given to race, that weightage should be dropped when the parental income exceeds a certain threshold (let us say whatever Obama calls rich these days?).</p>
<p>I also strongly believe there are racial percentages allocated in the Ivies, irrespective of whatever measures they use for holistic process. Otherwise, their mix can’t end up the almost same year over year. It has slowly changed over the years but not as fast as some of the people on this thread want. </p>
<p>It sounds like this thread assumes Asians are discriminated against to provide advantage to whites. I am not sure who exactly said that and where since the arguments only seem to say Asians are being discriminated against - period. If one looks at the trend in the Ivies, the white percentage has actually gone down by several percentage points over the years and percentage labelled as minorities (they do seem to include Asians in the pool) has been going up steadily. I have heard some schools call themselves lately a non-white majority (stanford?).</p>
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What if the most selective schools are slowly allowing the precentage of Asians to rise to avoid causing a backlash from whites (especially donor alums)? I don’t know if there would be such a backlash if Harvard went in one year from being 15% Asian to 45% Asian, but there might be. Would this be a sensible strategy? Would it be ethical?</p>
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Okay, I stand corrected. I owe performer’s mom an apology.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity - What was your opinion before reading the thread, and which post or posts changed your mind on this and why? I’d like to read them. Seriously. Ithinnk any argument that actually changes someone’s mind is worth a closer read. </p>
<p>Honestly, I posted what I did before because I heven’t read anyone mention changing their mind until now. I am actually undecdied on this issue - but sort of leaning in your direction although I haven’t seen any firm evidence one way or the other.</p>
<p>"Would it assuage your feelings if this were rephrased as “the view, asserted over and over again by countless Asian students on CC?” It seems to me trivially true that while each person is an individual and that there are always exceptions to every generalization, there are views that are largely shared by identifiable groups. Some people don’t like this to be mentioned–which is, I suppose, why fabrizio struggles so mightily against the idea that Asians disproportionately choose certain majors, etc. I admire the idealism, but I think it should be tempered with a bit of realism. "</p>
<p>As I had mentioned in an earlier post, there seems to be an undercurrent in high schools lately among Asian kids that they are getting @#$%^ed in the college application process despite being labelled as the brightest in their schools but seeing other lower ranked people get picked over them. They are academic/debate/music/chess/economic club/you name it all stars in their schools and find that they are being passed over for someone no one has heard of in the school. </p>
<p>As Bay said, may be they all need to get into Lacrosse to have a better shot (play the game?)!</p>
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This is kind of what I have been saying as well. In the last group of graduates from my kids’ school (a public school with an IB magnet), the Asian kids who did the best in getting in to Ivies were involved in things like mock trial as opposed to math/science stuff.</p>
<p>Hunt - I suspect what you are saying is right (they can’t just drop the way they do things). White men still control most boardrooms in this country which means getting them annoyed by not admitting their kids is bad for business, albeit a non-profit business requiring huge endowments. OTOH, if Ivies were clear that they try to keep the ratios of races close as part of the holistic process and have certain allocations for each group, it would be easier to believe in it but PC dictates it can’t be mentioned (everyone has to believe they will have a shot at the brass ring right?). Some kids in India, China etc have figured out how many seats are allocated to their country in each school on a yearly basis but no one here wants to believe Harvard wants to admit 200 african americans, 200 hispanics, 360 Asians etc on a yearly basis just because it is not PC to say that (Holistic process god will smite us if we admit that). It is also interesting to note that Asians were admitted at 17.4% but were 18.9% in the final class and blacks were admitted at 10-11% and only 8-9% in the final class (their yield was much lower at64% overall based on Shrinkrap’s chart but much higher than 80% norm for Asians).</p>