<p>haha, you mean the same way kids believe in Santa Clause?</p>
<p>For believing in things that don’t exist? Or is it justifiable/</p>
<p>Define “mentally ill.” They certainly believe in things they aren’t justified in believing (like the Santa example above), but then that would mean every superstitious person is also mentally ill. And we all believe the world we see and hear is real, when our only evidence are our senses, which can be fooled… Decartes had fun with trying to rescue some absolute knowledge from a world where you can’t know if your senses are being fooled into making you believe stuff that isn’t true.</p>
<p>^ I second that, jaime.</p>
<p>You see a religious fanatic on the street. He ‘preaches salvation’. He tells you that Christianity (example) is the only right religion in the world, and only way to be saved. You look at him and think - hey, he is an idiot, he will never understand that there are muslims, buddhists, hindus, atheists, and all of them have right to have a viewpoint. And hey, God doesn’t exist! This guy is so dumb! If you say this to him - he will 100% not get you. He will still be sure that he is correct.</p>
<p>Now what if I say you that you are wrong to be 100% sure that there is no God? Of course, you will say - you are stupid, there is no God! But hey, you are not different from religious fanatic, you may be a step higher than him, but you are still limited in your mind. Put yourself in his place, and try to understand MORE from that position.</p>
<p>Unprovoked aggression might be a sign of a mental disorder.</p>
<p>Its called faith, a milli, and you would be mentally ill not to have it.</p>
<p>You can call me crazy, but I’ve seen some CRAZY things…</p>
<p>Hahaha, incoming ****storm.</p>
<p>That can be a tricky question. Right wing evangelicals, for example, are crazy as he!!, but they’re fruitcakes, not people.</p>
<p>Even science is based on faith. Faith that our senses are accurate, etc. Science is logically flawed since nothing can actually be proven in a general sense - only disproven. It’s also biased in that “discoveries” are basically made to suit a given paradigm. Read some Thomas Kuhn; he really changed the way that I thought about science.</p>
<p>I’m not trying to say that science is useless (obviously it isn’t); I’m not a religious man; but we’re only human. We really don’t know the first thing about the universe and we never will. We only have perceptions.</p>
<p>That said, I do think that every religion is full of ****. But a god could exist.</p>
<p>^Conjecture: Nothing can be proven.
Can our conjecture be proven? No, because if it could, it would contradict itself.<br>
The above constitutes a proof that the conjecture “nothing can be proven” cannot be proven. Therefore, we have proven something! QED</p>
<p>damn, you’re right.</p>
<p>However, that isn’t really what I meant by what I said. I never said that nothing could be proved. I’m proving that I can type by typing this post. But that isn’t a generalization, and I said proving in a general sense. I just meant that since science relies on induction, we are actually only seeing that something is not disproved, not that it’s proved. For example, gravity pulls things to the earth: we drop a pencil and it happens. We never see that the pencil flies into the sky, but we don’t know that it couldn’t ever happen.</p>
<p>My statement wasn’t based on induction… so I should’ve said that nothing can be proved through induction.</p>
<p>Okay, seriously a milli, stop making these threads.</p>
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<p>Why? I don’t understand… isn’t the point of a discusison board to discuss things? I’m new here, sorry if I’m not doing it right.</p>
<p>President-elect Obama is religious and has attended church for decades. I guess the OP thinks he is mentally ill. Quick, get out your DSM IV.</p>
<p>he’s obviously not really religious, he just knows that you can’t be a political figure in america without going to church</p>
<p>Proof please…? Convenient how you can make claims about other people’s faith…</p>
<p>The question is obviously poorly worded but I don’t think Obama is one of his potential mentally ill candidates. Obama doesn’t force his religious views on world. He has his views and that is good enough for him. The mentally ill people a milli is talking about are right wing evangelicals, Islamic extremists and other overly opinionated and invasive religious figures.</p>
<p>No I’m talking about everybody who believes in organized religion. In order to be Christian, for example, you have to believe the bible to some degree - not necessarily believing in the Creation or Flood, but you do assign some form of legitimacy to Jesus as the messiah. Which means you believe something with essentially no proof whatsoever, other than a vague internal notion that it “feels right.”</p>
<p>nbnyc44, you do it too! Don’t you love it when people tell others what you mean to say?</p>
<p>For the record, as a milli has said, he means all religious. He didn’t caveat his statement at all, and didn’t say anything about it other than the title. I’m really not sure where you go that.</p>
<p>a milli, still waiting for proof that “mentally ill” Obama doesn’t actually believe in religion.</p>