@i012575, let’s make it simple and look at the average ACT scores from the top-30 universities and LAC’s - you will see both well represented, but HYPSM are not the top-5
- California Institute of Technology 34-35 2 Harvey Mudd College 33-35 3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 33-35 4 Columbia University 32-35 5 Harvard University 32-35 6 Princeton University 32-35 7 Rice University 32-35 8 University of Chicago 32-35 9 Vanderbilt University 32-35 10 Johns Hopkins University 32-34 11 University of Notre Dame 32-34 12 Washington University in St. Louis 32-34 13 Stanford University 31-35 14 Yale University 31-35 15 Amherst College 31-34 16 Brown University 31-34 17 Carnegie Mellon University 31-34 18 Duke University 31-34 19 Haverford College 31-34 20 Northeastern University 31-34 21 Northwestern University 31-34 22 University of Pennsylvania 31-34 23 Williams College 31-34 24 Bowdoin College 31-34 25 Hamilton College 31-33 26 Cooper Union 30-34 27 Cornell University 30-34 28 Dartmouth College 30-34 29 Georgetown University 30-34 30 Pomona College 30-34