<p>EK, off my beaten tracks…what did happen to the Llewelyn-Davies boys?</p>
<p>Sorry, TheDad - not seeing the Depp resemblance.</p>
<p>Something to add as well… Scarlett’s character was really not “Southern;” all of the women (save for Melanie) really disliked her. She was able to be coy, sweet, and empty-headed around men, but mostly to manipulate them. A lot of the point of the book was that, in the mid-nineteenth century, there never had been (to quote) such a low premium placed on feminine naturalness. </p>
<p>Perhaps, in many ways (esp. to see Cangel’s D write!) that has changed - that women can be both strong and hospitable, kind, etc. Just an example - in August, I went to buy a small dresser (really, a lingerie chest). As I was walking out the door with it, a man insisted on carrying it - and I mean, insisted! He then said, “My ma is 78, doesn’t have all of her teeth, can barely walk, but if she ever saw me let a lady carry something and didn’t offer to help, she would lay me across her knee and beat me.” </p>
<p>Conversely… there are men who think (because studies say so) that girls naturally aren’t as good at math as boys - their brains just aren’t wired for spacial thinking. Heard that one yesterday (blood has cooled from a rapid boil to a simmer). Grr, grr! Then again, it’s not anything that I haven’t heard up North. Like TheDaughter, I’ve definitely been told to “fit in” or otherwise dumb down. That lasted through high school but really cooled off in college, when people actually thought it was cool that I can do math.</p>
<p>OT- of the Davies boys- George died in WW I at 22, Michael drowned himself with his “companion” in Oxford, Peter who became a publisher killed himself in 1960.</p>
<p>On intelligence. I haven’t really been smart enough ( usually) that I felt I had to dumb down but I do point out when someone else says something really stupid when I just should let it go.
I am more likely to take offense even when none was meant when a man tries to be “gentlemanly”. I remember too well that boys were favored in our family and society while I was growing up, and I still resent it.
I apologize though thedad, for my participation in discusion of the inferiority of man, particulary when they are in earshot.</p>
<p>Emerald: seen on my friend’s refrigerator door:</p>
<p>“If a man speaks in the forest, and his wife isn’t there to hear him, is he still wrong?”</p>
<p>I really wanted to see “Neverland”, but missed it . DD didn’t want to see it, and she is a big Depp fan. He is in Chocolate Factory - WW I presume, although I wouldn’t put it past him to do Charlie. Yes I want to see Rwanda as well, sounds like it will be a powerful movie.</p>
<p>Yeah, he’s playing WW in the movie. Have you seen the trailer for it, it looks really good!</p>
<p>Aries!!! <taps foot=“” impatiently=“”> I include you with my D’s friends who don’t see the resemblance. <chucks aries=“” playfully=“” under=“” chin=“”> But don’t worry your pretty little head about it.</chucks></taps></p>
<p>Leaving geographic considerations out of it, women and men do behave differently in class and teachers treat them differently. There are a gazillion studies about this. It’s not all about the girls wanting to appear “not too smart” for the guys either. </p>
<p>Recently, both Yale Law and Harvard Law have studied the different behavior of men and women in class. At both schools, studies showed that women talk much less in class than men do. This was studied fairly scientifically. At one, student observers agreed to count the number of people who talked in class voluntarily on pre-selected days, whether they were male or female, and whether they spoke more than once. Results? Women talk a lot less often. In the most vocal group, i.e., the group of students who talked more than once in several classes, women were virtually non-existent. Women were more likely to use words that suggested they MIGHT know the answer : "Well, it seems to me; it might be the case; do you think it could be because of; " than men who state their views as fact. </p>
<p>At least one of the law school studies concluded that the law school itself did almost nothing to cause the women to be more reticent in class. The women and men had already learned their behavioral patterns before enrolling in law school. In other words, the women didn’t stop talking as much in class when they got to law school; they had talked less in class for years and years and simply continued those patterns in law school. That didn’t mean that new patterns couldn’t be learned; it just meant the behavior wasn’t as easily cured as it might have been if the reticence BEGAN in law school. </p>
<p>Thus, this is not a junior high or a '50s phenomenon. </p>
<p>I’m not sure that single sex classes “cure” this problem either. Perhaps 
women will “hedge” their answers in both co-ed and all-female classes.</p>
<p>TheDad: ROTFLASTR! Grrrrr… to that last part.</p>