<p>It appears that that Arizona legislature would require every state U student to contribute at least $2000 per year. This cannot be offset by scholarships etc and so if a student does not have funds, they will graduate with $2000 in loans.</p>
<p>If it’s only $2000 per year, that seems fine. If we believe education is an investment, there should be no problem carrying an $8K loan. And they should be grateful to not live in Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>Is this 2K for tuition, plus R & B? Becuase it says a minimum o f 2K for tuition. I dont know how many Arizona kids can live at home all four years ??</p>
Most Arizonans live in the 3 major metro areas of Phoenix, which is where ASU is, Tucson, which is where UofA is, or Flagstaff, which is where NAU is so if it’s necessary or desirable to live at home and commute I’d expect most would be in a position to do so.</p>
<p>A slightly inaccurate title–this isn’t about “full ride” scholarships, as in paying for total COA. This is about “full tuition” grants and scholarship. Students currently receiving these grants may already be taking out loans and/or working in order to pay for living expenses, books, and so forth. </p>
<p>The original bill’s language specified that each student had to personally make the contribution. That statement got removed, thus eliminating the issue of trying to verify that students were not, say, just having mom and dad pay the extra $2k. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Mini, my biggest problem with athletic scholarships as concerns African Americans is that in the main the system has produced meager real results in terms of engaged citizens who actually do something productive for the communities from whence they came or the society at large. It’s a generalization, sure. But bestowing a free public college education to Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley hasn’t done any good for URMs or society at large. And those are the guys who bothered to stay around for four years (actually, I think that Jordan turned pro after his junior season). Have Jordan or his peers donated to undergraduate scholarships or endowed chairs?</p>
<p>What is in-state tuition at ASU/UofA/NAU? Does it exceed Pell+SEOG+work study? If not, how would they deal with those funds since they are federal and not state/awarded by the feds and not the state legislature?</p>
<p>“Do you think there are many college grads who cannot afford to pay $92 per month?”</p>
<p>The average undergraduate college student in the U.S. right now is 24.5 years old. They have to care for themselves, work a job, pay their bills, (care for kids or elderly parents). The education isn’t “free”. (Last study I saw at UW is that the average full-tuition student has almost $20k a year in expenses.) So add another $1,000 on, each year, or $4.4k over four. (Actually more - the majority of students don’t graduate in four years.) Big deal.</p>
<p>I wasn’t commenting on athletic scholarships, LW, or AAs. BUT, the data there is pretty clear too. Even one year of college results in a higher percentage lifetime income gain over a high school graduate than a college graduate has over a non-college graduate. </p>
<p>If you take people from families who are often on some form of public assistance and make it so they can support themselves productively, that’s a HUGE gain - for all of us.</p>
<p>The vast majority could easily afford $92/month. Most of them will likely spend 2-4 times that amount for the luxury of driving a new car after graduation as opposed to what I drive or mini has (if I recall correctly). There’s something to be said for having some skin in the game anyway.</p>
<p>Tuition for Arizona universities has shot up far in excess of inflation over the past ten years. The increase has upset a lot of families. In response to the criticism, the president of ASU testified that the increase was not as bad as it sounded because 50% of the students at ASU pay no tuition at all. That testimony shocked the middle-class who see the massive tuition hikes as little more than a tax to pay for the tuition of other families’ kids. That is what prompted the bill. It is unclear how much support there is for the bill, or whether the governor will veto it, if it passes.</p>
<p>But do you think maybe that tuition shot up for that reason? Or partly because of it? Because only about ~50% of ASU students are paying tuition when ASU could be reining in more money but curtailing the number of free tuition or full ride students?</p>
<p>If they are borrowing for R & B, their repayment wouldn’t be $92 a month, as given in above posts. If r & b were ~$11,000 per year, they would owe the repayment on that <em>plus</em> the $92 a month. If they are exempting athetes and merit scholars, I’m not sure who they are making pay more? I am not from AZ and probably didn’t read closely enough.</p>