Artificial Intelligence: Machines That Think

Do you have a positive or negative feeling about AI? I don’t use Siri, I don’t care, well, I care enough to find it annoying kind of like able bodied people pushing the handicap button outside a door because they are too lazy to open the door themselves, and I don’t mind spell check and auto-correct but could live without them and other than that I probably don’t think about AI all that much. I was thinking about it a few days ago when I saw two news headlines within a few days that I thought were interesting. The first was something like “the rise of the killer machines” about another prediction that computers will eventually get smart enough and think well enough for themselves to become destructive to mankind and the second was how people are working on machines that are so life like that people might fall in love with them.

There is a comedy routine in their somewhere. I’d love to hear your thoughts good or bad about people falling in loe with machines and machines trying to take over the world.

Haven’t they already made that movie, like a hundred times?

Yes but that is Terminator type sci-fi stuff. The machines kill us physically because they are so powerful which is fine for movies and easy enough to ignore but then again aren’t people inserting tiny things into their body at work instead of logging in and out, for example? As weird as that sounds that is not sci-fi. It won’t be long until we use machines inside of our bodies for medical and a host of other uses.

I am more intrigued by the idea that a normally functioning human could fall in love with a life like machine. However, it is best if you do not do any Google search to that affect because you will not like what comes up. Apparently, love dolls are getting to be very real looking.

That movie has been done, too - “Her” from 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_(film)

For some reason, that link takes you to a general page, but you can find the “film” link to click on.

There’s another movie (name escapes me) in which a guy is responsible for programming the automated program that interacts with customers on the phone. His girlfriend is selected to record the voice because she sounds very sympathetic and friendly. He ends up falling in love with the voice - he keeps calling in just to have “her” respond to him with a caring tone, something he feels is missing in his real girlfriend.

Far more than I want to get into here just google what careers are in peril with the huge gains in roboyics and AI.

Most are white collar. Do some due diligence it will amaze you.

Hmmm. Didn’t know that. Thanks MaineLonghorn. Just read the synopsis for it on Wiki. Interesting. I saw some lifelike robots on YouTube that some guy in Japan developed and it was scary as hell but also a little bit cool.

@ #4,

That sounds hilarious actually.

@ #5,

Exactly. Petty soon one of the roles of government might be to give some folks a living allowance, forgot the term being used, because they computers will take 60% of the jobs. That won’t be good. You think we have problems now? That will not be good. Can you imagine the fights that will happen over who gets what from the government if there are simply too few jobs to go around thanks to the machines? I really will move to Canada.

Here is one article:

https://www.fastcompany.com/3067279/you-didnt-see-this-coming-10-jobs-that-will-be-replaced-by-robots

My 19 YO son might major in accounting. He and I need to talk about this article. Very scary.

There is a role for AI but many ethical questions as well. One major issue is autonomy in lethal weapon systems. Read “Wired for War” by Peter Singer. There are still many technological hurdles with authonomy but like many areas of science, is rapidly advancing. The ethical debate must preceded the technological possibility.

This is not the first industrial revolution and not the last one. Jobs we can’t think of now will replace those that become obsolete.

Kevin Kelly has a good TED talk on how AI will create the next industrial revolution. I am watching it now.

The TED talk with Brazilian millionaire Ricardo Semler on How to Run a Company without rules is fantastic but so many of these TED talks is just BS not reality. I’m wasting the day watching now anyway.

Computers are so dumb right now that it’s not even the slightest concern to me (I write software for a living). The best recent example of how dumb machines are was the “what’s in this photo” website a few years ago. A one month old baby wouldn’t make those mistakes. Machines simply have no clue what’s going on.

If machines end up killing us it would be due to a bug in the code.

Hmmm, and there is never bugs in the code. I agree that machines are not close to autonomy but the internet was created my senior year of college. Smart phones didn’t exist when I turned 30.

I agree @Sportsman88. Robo-advisors, just to give you one example, make having a human manage your investments virtually obsolete for most people and Robo-advisors are relatively new. What others professions are vulnerable? If you aren’t asking, either for yourself or on behalf of your kids, you are taking a big chance. I think the talk of a government issued universal income is going to be a political issue very soon because I just do not think there will be enough jobs for the people on earth looking for jobs in the very near future.

Musk will help humans keep up with AI
https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/25/elon-musk-could-soon-share-more-on-his-plan-to-help-humans-keep-up-with-ai/

Did you see the video of the Russian robot that was practice shooting, doing push ups, etc? It was on the CNN website today. (Google it.) Freaky!

I listened to an NPR show about AI,(http://www.npr.org/2017/04/21/524702525/jeremy-howard-will-artificial-intelligence-be-the-last-human-invention) and there is a lot to be concerned with. There is a concept called “deep learning” where computers can learn from their experiences, and it is getting literally better day by day. This isn’t the next industrial revolution, this isn’t the steam engine replacing animals or the assembly line replacing craft made objects or even things like robotics on an assembly line, these systems are for real and they have the potential to replace a lot of jobs. Siri isn’t what I am talking about, or driverless cars, they are relatively simple, I am talking systems that literally can learn and grow over time, and they can do so faster than human beings can. They had a humerous thing where the IBM Watson team let Watson surf the internet by itself, and in a day or two its responses to questions were peppered with obscenities, but it does tell a bit of the story.

But a lot of it raises real questions, something few people are addressing. Many of the geeks working with this stuff waxed on about how it would free people from the need to work, how it was going to create a new world where for example places in the third world where medical care was rare would have the ability to get medical care they need thanks to AI and robotics, others made the claim about ‘new jobs’, but the problem is what if in the next 20-30 years most jobs can be done via AI? And we aren’t now talking about those who aren’t educated, this could take a lot of jobs that today people may assume will never go away.

A company in my building is a well known financial firm, and they laid off something like 15% of their analysts and fund managers, because they are using more and more automated systems to make those decisions. Deep learning systems can use the same formulas that the finance types use in evaluating takeover targets or stock analysts analyzing a company’s performance, they can run Dupont Ratios and run the same analytics models that humans do, and learn from actual company performance to what they expected and tailor things. (It will be interesting to see when AI starts hitting the beancounters like this, if suddenly automation instead of being “we understand people have lost jobs over this, but this is the nature of change”, as they have said to blue collar jobs being lost, to suddenly being a bunch of whining about “but I have an MBA, how can I be redundant?”.

In that same show the last guy who spoke, who is an expert on the technology, basically said that the claims of economists and the geeks promoting it that this will create new jobs was bluntly, dubious, that this was not the same thing as the information age or earlier revolutions, this one was computers able to replace people in large scale, and that even things like programmers and ‘data scientists’ could become obsolete, that a machine learning system can learn to do those things, and for example if you want to design a new product, you can give the system a set of parameters and it could code and build it for you, and the ‘analyst’ specing it could be a machine as well.

How far this will go and how fast no one really can predict, and no, it won’t happen tomorrow, but it likely will happen, and eventually people will wake up and realize that no matter how educated they are, how skilled, they aren’t protected. A robotic AI system could replace a surgeon or a doctor, and there are already systems build that for a limited number of illnesses and issues, can diagnose a patient faster and more precise than human doctors can.

Some will say this will lead to a Star Trek world, but I suspect it is going to be a bumpy ride and it will take severe dislocations before anyone decides they have to do something. In a Star Trek world things people need to live would be free or nearly free, but what happens before then? Right now the dominent economic model has been to create orders of increases in efficiency, which in turn generally boils down to cutting down the cost of labor, so with AI you have the potential to replace a wide swath of costly labor with machines, which will make efficiency experts and finance types happy, but how in the world do you maintain a demand economic model when you are basically removing those who create the demand? How do you convince those whose basic job is to create more and more with less and less labor, to increase profits, that they may, just may, have to start thinking questions like who will buy their products? And more importantly, if the system more and more benefits less and less people, how do you create an environment that replaces the feeling of worth people get from working with other things? I am cynical enough to believe that those that benefit from reduced labor the most will hang on to the current model as long as they can, and it won’t be a smooth transition. We already see this with low or semi skilled jobs that mostly have been replaced by automation or will be, which is easy to dismiss as being ‘there are always losers, like buggy whip makers’, but what about when it hits the jobs most of us do?

“There is a concept called “deep learning” where computers can learn from their experiences, and it is getting literally better day by day.”

This is not at all what deep learning is. Deep learning is a buzzword that has recently been attached to neural networks, which originated in the 70s. Neural networks were originally impractical due to limitations in data, storage, and processing speed. The era of “Big Data” has made them come back into style. Neural networks mimic our limited interpretation of how human neurons pass data. The goal of a neural network is to create a compact representation of data, and then we use that representation for other tasks (classification, recognition, etc.)

As someone who has very recently completed a doctorate in robotics, my response to these types of articles is generally “lol, no.”