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<p>Should people who live in state for years and are not taxpayers also be eligible?</p>
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<p>Those who do not drop out, at least…</p>
<p>Of course, if one does not get good financial aid or scholarships at a four year school, one can study the cheaper lower division courses at a community college and then transfer to a four year school to take the more expensive upper division courses there.</p>
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<p>The actual reason is that the state government wants a better educated state population in order to produce a larger economy – it sees a population with 30% bachelor’s degree attainment as producing more overall wealth than one with a 10% bachelor’s degree attainment (what it was before the big growth in the 1950s to 1970s).</p>
<p>i agree w u that it is in the state’s economic interest to have an educated populace. but u don’t address why not give smart OOS kids the same break, since it is not incommon for many graduates to find jobs w employers near the school then settle there. </p>
<p>and don’t tell me that it’s because their parents pay taxes.</p>
<p>In the old days, you could get UC in-state rates easily, by living in CA for a year (including the school year), getting a CA driver license, and signing an affidavit stating you intend to reside in CA after you graduate.</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure the instate kids’ tuition is subsidized by tax payers, not out of state students. Out of state students pay all of the costs to educate, not the subsidized portion. Also, was there a picture I missed somewhere showing someone holding a gun to this girl’s head making her go to the expensive out of state school? Seems to me somewhere in this story they forgot it was her CHOICE to go there.</p>
<p>Actually, yes. Cal’s political science department is much better than UW: [Best</a> Political Science Programs | Top Political Science Schools | US News Best Graduate Schools](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/political-science-rankings]Best”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-humanities-schools/political-science-rankings)</p>
<p>I was peeved by the private colleges’ proud reports of financial aid given to international students. Many of these international students that we’ve met at those colleges’ Open House events were polished products of elite boarding schools and family privilege, not earnest strivers, yet recruited and subsidized to provide “diversity”. I believe “educational opportunity” should begin here for our citizens’ children, afforded to middle-class families struggling to educate their children, to allow those children to reach their full potential. Why should a middle-class A- child be told “go look for the super-affordable colleges” while our private colleges recruit the Asian or African child of political and economic privilege? There are many reports of outright cheating by Chinese applicants, with colleges unable to confirm whether the Chinese student actually took the SAT/ACT test, actually prepared the application, actually wrote the essay, etc. </p>
<p>Plenty of inarticulate international students posting on CC too, looking for “full rides” while fumbling with their sentences.</p>
<p>Higgins: They take them because they are paying full ride, and schools want that money.</p>
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<p>When students are at the same school paying vastly different amounts for the same education then the rules about paying directly for what you consume does apply. Why should one student pay $5,000 for an education when another student pays $50,000 for EXACT the same thing? </p>
<p>It is unfair.</p>
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<p>Also IS residents who pay lots of taxes and aren’t (so far) sending their children to public colleges (raises hand). I don’t see a problem with this. The UC/CSU/community college system is funded as a public resource for the state. That means that I as a state resident benefit from having a more educated population, which will in turn contribute more to the state’s economy (echoing ucbalumnus). Giving a tuition break to a potential political science major on the expectation that she’ll stay here in California isn’t as good an investment in my opinion as underwriting bright students who already have ties to California.</p>
<p>yes, IS vs OOS is about politics. So what? The State University calculates the cost to educate students, and sets the tuition. Then they decide how much the state is willing to subsidize through taxes, and reduce the in-state tuition by that amount. Yes, some OOS students will stay in state following graduation, but it is the IS students who are more likely to stay, because they are already staying.</p>
<p>In some states those OOS students qualify for IS tuition for certain regional programs - but that is through an agreement between the two states. State A offers program A with IS tuition for students from State B, which offers IS tuition for those in program B. That way both schools don’t have to offer both programs, but can focus more on the program they do offer. It is treated much the same as programs between private colleges that give discounts to students whose parents work for other private colleges. Each college selects a number of students they are willing to accept, and in turn can sent a similar number to other colleges. It saves them the expense of providing a free education at their own school, when it might not be the best fit for either the student or the school.</p>
<p>I’ve seen too many articles recently complaining about unfair tuition, or unfair student loan balances. These students all have choices, and they are making poor choices. If we’re going to have these fair/unfair discussions, then I’d like to point out that it’s unfair that my house cost almost $300,000 when I could own a new home twice the size outside Houston for $100,000. Isn’t that unfair? Or is it simply that I choose to live where I do (and it’s where H’s job is)? If you think OOS tuition is too high, then go elsewhere!</p>
<p>@Proudpatriot, my post to Beliavsky was to challenge his assertion that if everyone had to pay full price for what they consume, then the price of the product would stay down. </p>
<p>I agree w you that paying vastly different amounts for the same education is unfair.</p>
<p>Nope. My hearing is fine. These relatively expensive LACs reported their aid to international students. And yes, I know there are other schools which look to foreign students as “full pay”.</p>
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<p>It’s a private school, and it’s private money. If some rich dude from Elbonia wants to donate an endowment to fund FA for poor students from Elbonia, it’s not my business.</p>
<p>Proudpatriot–The in state student has helped pay for the “rest” of the cost through income taxes, property taxes, sales, tax, etc. by living in that state (or their parents have). In a lot of ways that instate student is probably paying more for that education then the out of state student. Keep in mind that the out of state student could have stayed in his own state and paid about the same as the kid in California is paying too.</p>
<p>SteveMA-I don’t have a problem with public universities charging less for in state tution. Public universities are subsidized by taxpayers in a particular state for the benefit of residents of that state. I do have a problem with the current system in private schools where the cost is $50K for some students and $5K for others.</p>
<p>What private school is that? I have yet to find a school that charges one student $50K and one $5K, all students get charged the same to go there. How they PAY for school differs however.</p>
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<p>Well, in theory, they are private, so they can do whatever they want. Choose a different (public or private) school if you disagree with a particular school’s policy that strongly.</p>
<p>In practice, financial aid and scholarships are what most people consider a socially acceptable form of price discrimination. The sellers of college education offer discounted prices to top students to try to attract them, and poorer students who may not be able to afford to attend any college at a higher price, while the buyers (students) in these categories consider the discounts in their decisions of where to matriculate. The sellers of college education know that buyers from wealthy families who are not outstanding in academic credentials are likely to be the most willing and able to pay full list price.</p>
<p>Other examples of price discrimination (on different criteria) include airline tickets, anything negotiated on an individual basis like cars, business deals, etc…</p>
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<p>Probably refers to schools with list price of $50,000 per year, but where some students get near-full ride need-based aid or merit scholarships from the school that reduce the net cost to $5,000 per year.</p>