Indeed…and am getting both in my FB feeds as I don’t maintain an echo chamber among friends on FB.
These are, indeed, interesting times we live in. 
Again, you are stretching the facts in your statement above. Must be those news sources you frequent.
I have other sources but need to dig them out as I have dozens of windows open on my computer but use this for now:
http://www.snopes.com/trump-immigration-order-obama/
@droppedit So, in your opinion, why do you think Saudi Arabia isn’t on the list of the EO if targeting terrorism is a huge concern?
Another good 'splainer:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/30/donald-trump/why-comparing-trumps-and-obamas-immigration-restri/
@doschicos – your own source says that Obama started the process of limiting travel to the USA from those countries.
Obviously, Saudi Arabia isn’t on the list because Trump has business dealings there. That’s what the alt-left news sources tell me (I can use name-calling to dismiss news sources just as easily as you can).
@droppedit Where did I call you a name? Show me. I called out some news sources as not being factual but I did not call you a name.
I’m asking YOU your opinion on why Saudi Arabia isn’t on the list. Does your answer in your post above reflect your opinion or your sarcasm? Don’t skirt the question that easily.
If you read my link and the one in 64 it will give more clear and precise info on the policies under the old and new administration and it will contrast the two. There are clear and important differences.
Just to be clear: alt-right isn’t “name-calling.” It’s a term made up by a neo-Nazi and adopted by right-wing news sources and individuals to describe themselves.
Beginning to limit travel is not the same as using a pen while someone is in mid-flight to leave them in legal limbo. People comparing these actions to Obama’s understand neither.
“I’m asking YOU your opinion on why Saudi Arabia isn’t on the list. Does your answer in your post above reflect your opinion or your sarcasm? Don’t skirt the question that easily.”
Six of these countries do not have a functioning government that controls the whole territory. The last one has the US as an official enemy.
SA does not have lawless areas and controls their population pretty well.
I am in Canada. People are just sad. Just really, really sad that their professor and their grocery store owner were killed while praying, in an inconceivable act of violence. They are, no matter their politics, simply heartbroken.
@tanbiko You must not let others copy your homework. 
If the Saudi royal family controls their population so well, why so many terrorists? Or is the answer that the country produces so many terrorists because they control their population “too well”?
The fact is SA nationals are the terrorists more often than not or people who spent time there.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-shooting-pakistan-idUSKBN0TO0J120151206
To reiterate: this thread is about a white nationalist terrorist who killed 6 Muslims in Quebec.
What Obama and Saudi Arabia have to do with it is beyond me…
@doschicos – the name-calling refers to any one of a number of left-wing news sources that call just about everything they don’t agree with as “alt-right” (I never heard of the term until recently). A classic smear tactic.
Why isn’t SA on the list? Basically, because the world can’t afford to have them become an enemy (stability of oil supplies/prices). If they fall to the anti-American extremists then the world economy would collapse. Iran would be calling the shots, something to avoid at all costs. Of course, you’re going to bring up the 9/11 attacks … but they were by terrorists that SA was trying to get rid of already. And they cleaned up their house on our request (no doubt you’ve read about the Saudi prince who “died of thirst” after 9/11).
I don’t like SA and neither do most in the US gov. Wahabbism is a worldwide threat. But they’re a force that has to be dealt with. We don’t want the Iranians to completely own the Persian Gulf. When I was in EE school back in the early 1980s I knew a couple of students from Bahrain. I asked then about the Iranian situation. You should have seen the fear in their eyes. Even in freaking Austin, TX back then they talked in whispers about it.
The faster the world can get disentangled from the ME, the better.
@droppedit this is Stephen Bannon’s media outlet’s “guide” to the “alt right” from about a year ago. Not having heard of it is not the same as it not existing. Bannon, I think everyone knows, is the key member of Donald Trumps administration.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/
The mood in Toronto at the moment is very somber. I can only imagine what folks are feeling in Montreal or Quebec City. The CBC is 24/7 today on the shootings. It has it very close to home for the folks here. seems like many more Muslims in Canada than US (% wise) All my cab drivers this week have been Middle Eastern Muslims. Very interesting conversations.
If everyone made the effort to use as little oil as possible, there would be less oil money going there to fuel stupid wars, promote religious extremism, or slosh into the bank accounts of terrorists. And the less oil we use, the less we are forced to care about their stupid wars.
The trade balance and possible (depending on how oil use is reduced) environmental benefits are bonuses on top of the national security benefits of using less oil. Unfortunately, using less oil seems to be seen as purely an environmental thing that mainly attracts some left-leaning people, while the national security and trade balance benefits of using less oil are largely ignored. Of course, there can be personal benefit of spending less of one’s own money on oil products like gasoline.
“If everyone made the effort to use as little oil as possible, there would be less oil money going there to fuel stupid wars, promote religious extremism, or slosh into the bank accounts of terrorists. And the less oil we use, the less we are forced to care about their stupid wars.”
And alternative forms of energy which have greatly improved in the past 5 years or so. And both will also help our planet in other ways. 
So many hidden and not so hidden costs to our reliance on fossil fuels that don’t get factored into the price at the pump.
@ucbalumnus – no argument from me. If I was president after 9/11 I would have locked up all our eggheads in a warehouse in Nevada and told them to not come out until they had solved the energy problem. Basically, spend billions on a new “Manhattan Project”. I don’t care how much it costs. The massive transfer of wealth to a few radical nations in the ME is a grave crisis for the world (just wait until they go nuclear, which they will eventually).
Don’t think that our people in Washington don’t know this already. Why are our astronauts riding Russian rockets to the ISS (and why our Atlas V uses Russian engines)? Because we didn’t want their scientists freelancing with the Iranians, Iraqis, North Koreans, etc. after the USSR broke up. Better to have them on our payroll than designing ICBMs for the oil-rich ME countries.
OK, I was just looking at the text on the website; I didn’t download the spreadsheets.
What Obama did wasn’t an outright ban. And I don’t recall that people who already had green cards or valid visas were being barred, either.
I received a message from a poster that the video posted in #44 is no longer available at that link. Here is a new one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtLQz3GNz8
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This thread boggles my mind. Why in the h#$% would one think that a shooting at a mosque was committed by another Muslim??? I get conjecture, but when has the US or Canada had a plethora of mosque mass shootings and the gunman was a muslim? We haven’t. We have had several shootings at mosques and the perpetrator was a white christian male.