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<p>Atheists versus Christians internet argument #92756</p>

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<p>And what prevents atheists from lying about their beliefs? It’s not like they have the letter A branded on their foreheads or anything.</p>

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<p>If you are an atheist, what is forbidding you from swearing on the bible? All it does is make the bible lose credibility, which should be the goal of the Atheist.</p>

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<p>Yay for agnosticism and loopholes…</p>

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<p>“And what prevents atheists from lying about their beliefs? It’s not like they have the letter A branded on their foreheads or anything.”</p>

<p>Problem is, I’ve seldom met a genuine Atheist who couldn’t shut up about it. They’re more evangelical about their lack of believe than Jerry Falwell is about his belief. They aren’t happy to merely not believe; they’re looking for converts.</p>

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I’m not looking to convert anybody–I think it’s just kind of dumb that I’m not allowed to hold public office or testify in court in seven states due to my religious beliefs (or lack thereof).
Sure, any atheist could technically lie about his beliefs, but any Christian here tell me this–would you ever swear on the Qur’an?</p>

<p>I mean, I usually keep my mouth shut about my beliefs (and expect others to return the favor), but I find it ludicrous that the country I love would deny me my fundemental rights for such a reason.</p>

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<p>I guess your love for your country stops at its founding principles and virtues. What you see in those constitutions is what America was. Religion was a big deal, not just a personal, private thing. It didn’t so much matter what religion you believed in, just so long as you believed in something. This does not strike me as being an extraordinary thing to ask.</p>

<p>A lot of religious thought out there may not be exactly reasonable, but I would assert that genuine Atheism is flat-out unreasonable. Look at the wonders of the Universe… is it truly reasonable to believe that there is nothing behind it, no higher power of any kind?</p>

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America was not founded to cater to any one religion. Also, the Founding Fathers specifically devised the framework of the nation so that it could be easily changed in the future. What is in these Constitutions is what America was in the 18th century, not what it should be in the 21st century. Whether or not these principles are enforced, they represent a roadblock to the achievement of the true religious freedom that our founders would no doubt have supported.</p>

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<p>Hey, if I can help people see the light, or lack thereof, you shouldn’t try to stop me.</p>

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I really don’t think that’s true. I usually try not to mention than I’m an atheist when people talk about religion. if they ask I’ll usually try to avoid the question before answering. not because I don’t want to tell them, but because I know it bothers people. I’m really not interested in “converting” people (how can you convert people to a non-religion"), why is saying you’re an atheist different from any other religions? it’s not a “god-hating” religion (which I have been called) it’s just no religion. you can’t hate something that doesn’t exist.</p>

<p>and if there’s a problem with atheists swearing on a bible… then maybe it’s time to find something else. we all know there’s plenty of lying in court done anyway…</p>

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<p>It’s not unreasonable. Perhaps there is some law of physics that states that nothingness is inherintly something, and so matter will spawn from lack of a universe (or something like that, it would have to be pretty hard to conceive). It would be no stranger than anti-matter and matter combining to make energy or the fact that travelling at the speed of light makes you of infinite mass and zero length, width, and height.
Edit: Or perhaps there is a god. I’m just a lowly agnostic.</p>

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<p>Or we can just admit we don’t understand what’s going on, and ascribe supernatural reasons for extraordinary phenomena. It’s what the majority of all people on this planet seem to need in order to function in society anyway, so why not?</p>

<p>Edit: I mean, I don’t really have the drive to bother educating my self about string theory, but “string” sounds a lot like “spaghetti”, and I’m sure as hell not too stupid to understand The Flying Spaghetti Monster.</p>

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<p>it makes sense that they’ur all southern states, because southernors are discriminatory like that
yet im with christalena 2
quote: the rules are still odd, but not unthinkable.</p>

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<p>well, gee Fides, if you do want me to believe in some supernatural being, which one should I believe in?
There are so many choices out there and I can’t possibly know which one is right. </p>

<p>Why don’t you believers fight it out amongst yourself and tell me which religion is the right one?</p>

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<p>“Why don’t you believers fight it out amongst yourself and tell me which religion is the right one?”</p>

<p>We already did. Catholic Christianity won out.</p>

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<p>I’m convinced that this poster is a non-Christian ■■■■■, who’s just trawling the internet looking to start arguments for his own amusement.</p>

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<p>“America was not founded to cater to any one religion. Also, the Founding Fathers specifically devised the framework of the nation so that it could be easily changed in the future. What is in these Constitutions is what America was in the 18th century, not what it should be in the 21st century. Whether or not these principles are enforced, they represent a roadblock to the achievement of the true religious freedom that our founders would no doubt have supported.”</p>

<p>Of course, America was not founded on one religion, but I think it is clear from historical documentation that America was founded on the principle that faith in a “Supreme Being” – which could mean any number of religions – is of great importance for citizens and leaders of the country. It was, and is, a big part of the American identity and way of life, what unites Americans. And it is one of the major things that made (and continues to make) America different from Europe, which was in full-tilt Enlightenment mode by the time America was founded and is largely Atheistic and anti-religious today. Much of the friction between America and Europe throughout history has been due to this significant difference of personality. </p>

<p>Religious freedom in America was about being free to believe in the religion of ones own choosing. Atheism stands well outside of this, as it is a rejection of all religion, and thus, in a very real way, a rejection of what America has always stood for. As the saying goes, “It’s freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.”</p>

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<p>“I’m convinced that this poster is a non-Christian ■■■■■, who’s just trawling the internet looking to start arguments for his own amusement.”</p>

<p>Sorry to break it to you, but I’m as Catholic and religious as they come, and I am speaking from the heart. My views aren’t typical of the average CC-er, perhaps, but they are honest. Besides, I’ve been around here a lot longer than you have, n00b.</p>

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<p>“Besides, I’ve been around here a lot longer than you have, n00b.”</p>

<p>Don’t offend her for thinking it’s wrong to assume that your religion is the One Religion. And what are you actually trying to say with that, anyway? Does having posted lots of messages/being older/whatever you mean give you privileges she doesn’t have?</p>

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<p>THIS REALLY IS A CHRISTIAN NATION. IF WE ALL HOLD HANDS AND REPEAT IT OVER AND OVER, IT WILL COME TRUE!</p>

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<p>Oh Fides, stop being coy…</p>

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<p>…and stop repeating everything CNN is shoving down your throat.</p>