<p>Well, when I say science, I really mean logic puzzles. It’s not so much science-y as logical reasoning really. </p>
<p>So you’re interested in law in the UK as well?</p>
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<p>Sucks being on this side of the world sometimes, huh? I really have no idea how to advice you on that apart from asking KPMG for an extension. You could always enter your university first, then leave before the census date to not pay anything–just whether or not KPMG will support that.</p>
<p>If you’re interested in accounting, it might be a good idea. KPMG is a good firm with good international opportunities (moving to other offices, I guess) and you’ll have job security–definitely a good thing to have in this economy.</p>
<p>What do you intend to do in the US? Why do you want to go to the US?</p>
<p>dude a cadetship doesnt come around very often. it really depends on what you want to do. a cadetship in accounting virtually guarantees you a job without the financial burden you will fall under by going to college in america. but if its not what you want to do then go uni overseas. </p>
<p>if i was in your situation, i dont know how good KPMG is but, if it is a good firm and stuff like shoyz said, then id take it full stop</p>
<p>cadetships arent that rare. about 15 or 20 students from my school are offered them each year. I would say you could ask them to hold off for one more month. Or, even better, as them if they promote MBAs or other masters degrees in top US universities bcoz of they do, then they will partially fund your Masters which will probably be a good bonus for sticking with them.</p>
<p>Otherwise, you could go to a good college in the US, make more money each summer than the cadetship, and be more qualified.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I think the cadetship is really practical and everyone says starting your career at a Big 4 accounting firm is the best way to get ahead. If I were to go USA, I plan to do international relations/economics. And there are def lots of cadetships out there but they’re rarer with the Big 4 - KPMG only had 30 cadet spots this year and had several hundred applicants. So statistically speaking getting this was like harder than getting into ivy league lol. </p>
<p>@Sid I’ll def ask kpmg about doing postgrad studies since they were always telling us you can travel overseas and we will support you if you want to do your masters etc.</p>
<p>I would seriously stay with the cadet ship, they all have secondment anyways so you can always work in the US and have a guarenteed position and then make the move over once your position is a little more certain cause like they have offices ALL over the world!</p>
<p>My friend would have killed for a PWC one, she interviewed but didn’t get it :(</p>
<p>Yeah, with KPMG or E&Y, I’d take it (Deloitte is rather…pft =P).</p>
<p>The only scenario I’d consider choosing US over it would be a university that would give you a very good chance at getting back into KPMG should you wish it. Think HYPS. </p>
<p>Apart from that…the cadetship might be the way to go to be honest… =/ </p>
<p>Well, you’ve still got 8 months to think about it, no rush. =)</p>
<p>shoyz: logical reasoning? you mean sort of like generalability back in the selective tests?
hmm… maybe i’ll look up a practice ACT exam or something.
LNATs, yeah, for oxford… longish story why im applying, but yeah. eurgh. american admissions is making my life hell TOT. FEW MORE MONTHS AND ITS OVEERRRR.</p>
<p>to aininor: kpmg? that’s pretty good… a few of my friends got the pwc one, but yeah, i know what you mean about being iffy about it…
let me put it this way, do you really want to be an accountant for the rest of your life?
if you do, go for it.
but with the job security AND selectivity and all… its like its sort of waste not to use it when you got it, youknow? but yeah, maybe you could ask for an extension or something, you could try at least… goodluck!</p>
<p>@Shoyz: Aw everyone gives Deloitte such a hard time since its the smallest out of the Big 4 in Aus but I really liked it when I had my interview there. Theyve a reputation as the freidnliest one and most laid back one to lots of cadets. I really like kpmg since its really social and the views from there are amazing!! And I was only planning to apply to HYP since they’re need blind to intl and meet full demonstrated need, but it’d still be a tough choice because it takes 4 yrs to get an ug degree in US and I’m forced to take a gap year so it takes 5 yrs and the kpmg contract is only 6 yrs with 3 full time working years…</p>
<p>@Sora: Yeah Ido feel like im wasting a really good opportunity since you have job and financial security for 6 yrs. </p>
<p>Does anyone have an idea about the average salary for a finance/commerce graduate post-college in USA?And how difficult is it for a intl student with a bachelor from the ivies to secure permanent employment?!</p>
<p>That’s what I’m worried about too. Are you an american citizen?</p>
<p>It’s hard to say what the employment market is going to be like after this financial crisis. It might be VERY hard for non-citizens to secure a job. That said, if you’re at HYP, who knows. =P</p>
<p>For me, Deloitte is fine for accounting/auditing…but since I’m interested in consulting, Deloitte is ewww. Haha.</p>
<p>Hmm… so does that mean that most intl students end up returning to their country of citizenship and compete with Aussie graduates for jobs where they can generally have an edge esp with an ivy degree? Def need to do more research into job prospects if it’s really that bad even for ivy graduates, I think the cadetship might be better because you’re fast tracked up the corporate ladder… What about intl with MBAs, do they have better prospects upon graduation?</p>
<p>a lot of people i know these days get their MBAs after a couple years of actual work experience under their belt. and american graduate schools are even harder to get into for internationals.
so id say do your cadetship then get MBA in america? that sounds like the best option cuz you’ll have already had work experience and with an MBA say 9-10 years from now, you’ll have an awesome opportunity to further your career.</p>
<p>Before, you could stay in the US and potentially get a greencard IF you find a job straight after you graduate (some time limit) but now with this GFC, i heard it’s EXTREMELY hard for internationals to live there permanently. Even some website of some schools basically imply that internationals will be shoo-ed back to their own country after graduation. Not good news for us…but it may change by the time i graduate. the whole point of me wanting to go to the US to study is so i could live there afterwards!!!</p>
<p>Graduate schools are definitely easier to get into for internationals, at least from what i know. Most people who have studied in the US from Asia got their masters education from the US, not undergrad. I think it’s coz graduate schools almost entirely look at your GPA and potential to do research whereas to get into college straight out of high school is much harder especially from Asian countries.</p>
<p>With the bachelor degree being the new high school diploma for many jobs, undergrad is becoming more competitive. That said, american universities have to accommodate for US citizens before internations; that is, we get evaluated in a separate pool. (I believe this is the case in most universities anyway.)</p>
<p>For postgrad, as far as I know, they no longer take your citizenship into account–in any case, that is what they say. </p>
<p>International MBAs, on the other hand, have much better job prospects. Straight out of undergrad, engineers will have the best chance of getting a job. Especially since we have the special US-Australian visa thing. That said, it’s still darn hard. (And it sucks because I don’t want to be an engineer after my degree!) </p>
<p>With an MBA degree from a top business school (HBS, GBS, Tuck, Wharton, Kellogg etc.) top international firms will recruit on campus. If they like you, they have the resources (read: money & inhouse lawyers) to help you get a work visa. If that falls through, you can be put into one of their international offices. Not only that, but you could go into upper level management. Since one of the top groups of people given green cards are executives, that’s another chance there.</p>
<p>Anyway, these are all just research by me with no substantial back up, so take it with a grain of salt. =P</p>
<p>Lol. That’s because you guys are already off to the wild adventure and it’ll be a year and more till i can even dream of doing the same. So HOW IS IT?? Don’t have too much fun over there that you forget to check back here every once in a while. :P</p>
<p>Hey fellow oceanians!
I know I am a Kiwi, but you aussies are pretty close to us anyway, so do you mind if I join this forum?
I am applying for Class of 2014, and am busy working on applications and stuff. Hope this thread doesn’t die!
Victor</p>
<p>haha dragons
i love my college tooo I hate it sometimes and it can be pretty intense, but living in the dorms is simultaenously the best and worst thing that has ever happened to me
those of you still living at home appreciate your parents cooking and showering WITHOUT shoes while you still can
we have one washer and dryer for an entire floor, thats like almost 40 people :(</p>
the whole point of me wanting to go to the US to study is so i could live there afterwards!!!</p>
Don’t have too much fun over there that you forget to check back here every once in a while. :P</p>
I hate it sometimes and it can be pretty intense, but living in the dorms is simultaenously the best and worst thing that has ever happened to me