Australia/New Zealand Guided Tours

This will likely come to nothing, but I’m trying to convince husband we should think about this. My impetus is that our RMD’s are starting and I think we should splurge on something before we’re even older yet. I really want to see great scenery! Husband is more athletic than I am, so not one of the hiking/biking heavy trips. Neither of us want to assemble a self guided trip so I’ve been looking at a number of companies.

Here are the companies I’ve been researching - any recommendations among these and others would be appreciated!

I gather this is the same as Smithsonian without the experts.

This includes a Viking cruise:

Bigger splurge:

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Those look amazing. I’ll be interested to see what you guys decide to do.

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I’ve done the Mt. John Observatory tour twice. It is COLD. They’ll give you Antarctic-level coats to wear. If you have a 35 mm camera that can be manually set, bring it. The guides will help you get shots. There’s a cool cafe at the top of the mountain with a 360 degree view of the lake and surrounding mountains.

We spent nine full days in NZ the first time (not counting travel days) and at the end, I told H that we could come back, spend two more weeks and still not see everything we wanted to visit. (So we did. And I still want to return.) We liked these folks for small, specialized tours. https://www.realnz.com/en/ We did the Doubtful Sound overnight cruise twice.

I looked at the Road Scholar tour and sighed. Auckland and Queenstown are not where I’d spend tons of time. There is so much beauty that itinerary doesn’t begin to cover. We did take the ferry from Auckland to Devonport – cheaper than the tourist cruises – and spent an afternoon walking up Mt. Victoria and going to the Maritime Museum. Lovely walks in that area! Queenstown is the launching spot for lots of tours and active tourism outside of town. We did go to Bob’s Peak for dinner – the buffet was quite good.
Queenstown from Bob’s Peak:

If you go to Australia, Kangaroo Island is a MUST. Go when it’s cool. (October is lovely.) Tasmania was a VERY pleasant surprise. We took the ferry there and rented a car. Had the best flat white of my life and amazing fish & chips in a little bar/motel in the middle of nowehere. Hobart was lovely and the open air market on Saturday morning was a treat.

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We spent 28 days in NZ this year, but 14 of them were an active bike group tour, which I know you’d have little interest in.
Regarding tour companies, I can’t speak to NZ/Australia specifically, but the Smithsonian is known to have WONDERFUL tours. A friend of mine did a safari tour with them last year, and she LOVED it. Same friend did a RoadScholar trip to MachuPichu and the Galapagos this year, and she thought it was too educational/too many lectures, and if I remember correctly, she didn’t think they did a good job with travel transitions. I don’t think she would say it was “bad,” just the Smithsonian tour was much better (and of course different locations).
Backroads is considered an active vacation company, but I THINK they have some tours that aren’t as active, and they do a great job with their tours.
I saw someone posted about Doubtful sound above. If we make it back to NZ, an overnight there is something we would definitely do.

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I have heard good things about this company, but I know nothing about them personally.

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Australia is so huge and diverse is just about impossible to visit all the must see places in one trip - especially if don’t want rush from spot to spot. Pre-organized tours sound good, but another way would be investigate on your own make your own tour.

On our first trip to Australia we sat down as a family and listed three things we wanted to see/do in Australia. Our D wanted to visit a rain forest, our S wanted to scuba dive the Great Barrier Reef, and my wife and I both wanted to take in Sydney. So, with the help of Mr Google we booked a great tour lasting a little less than a month.

We flew to Sydney then to our first stop in Cairnes where we recuperated from jet lag by sampling flat whites, joining in on morning exercises by the ocean, and watching huge fox bats take flight at dusk. We booked a private rail car for a trip to Kurunda (nice), and eventually made our way to the Daintree rain forest staying at a great lodge. We explored the area for several days.

Next next traveled to Gladstone where we chartered a helicopter to fly us out to a great island on the barrier reef for scuba diving, snorkeling, fishing, and exploring tide pools.

Then off to Sydney - a truly great city. We toured museums, shopped, and tried many restaurants. A great time was had by all.

So, I wrote all this to show that while prearranged tours might be very nice, you can really just roll your own, take your own time, and change things along the way. Traveling in Australia is very simple - no language barriers, friendly people, with great infrastructure. We flew, took trains, and drove (rental car). Driving took a little to get used to since driving is on the opposite side than US and so are the steering wheels on rental cars.

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We know we could piece together our own trip; certainly have done that throughout our decades of vacationing. But in discussing the possibility of a big trip like this, neither husband nor I really want to do that much preparation. I love doing research and could certainly do it, but we’re looking for something that helps us out along the way with luggage, transportation, etc. One of our earlier vacations in the 80’s was a WestTours trip in Alaska and it worked out fine, and we were young and fit then.

I’m not sure husband is even seriously considering this so I’m keeping an eye out for what might work for me solo. And we have enough issues agreeing on small everyday stuff so trying to coordination preferences on a trip like this might be more than we like. The less decisions the better. I’m thinking of something to celebrate our 40th anniversary in 2025 and don’t want it to be our last!

I like the idea of hitting the highlights of both Australia and New Zealand and recognize it’s like hitting the highlights of the United States, so much will be missed. I want to see Sydney, the Great Barrier Reef, and the “Lord of the Rings” epic scenery of New Zealand (don’t need to see the specific filming sites).

I’ve read The Thorn Birds, A Town Called Alice, and On the Beach, plus numerous romances set in Australia, so that’s my basis :laughing:.

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To get to Doubtful Sound, you go to Te Anau, get on a boat at Lake Manipouri, go to West Arm, where you get a bus to go through Wilmot Pass (it’s gorgeous), and then you get to Doubtful Sound. You are truly in the wilderness.

There’s much discussion on travel sites about whether Doubtful or Milford is “better.” They are simply very different experiences.

The Milford Road from Te Anau to Milford Sound is a stunning trip --snow-capped mountains, expansive valleys, just beautiful. IIRC, it’s about a three hour drive. When we went through the LONG tunnel shortly before arriving at the Sound, there were no lights other than your car’s headlamps. The tunnel had a gravel surface. I hear it’s paved and lit now. Most tours there are by bus, starting out of Queenstown or Te Anau. It’s a full day trip. Milford Sound has a hostel (we stayed there – it is VERY basic). The only people who live there are the employees who work the ships and hostel. There were six of us in the hostel room. There was a cafeteria for food; virtually everyone heads back to their base instead of staying there overnight.

In fairness, we went straight from the Doubtful Sound overnight to Milford. We were so blown away by our Doubtful Sound experience. We got snow overnight on the mountains in the fjord, as well as pelting rain and brilliant sunshine; the food was outstanding. It was a small ship with about 35 guests. Most slept in hostel-style rooms, though there were a few cabins for a surcharge.

Milford seemed very touristy by comparison. However, there’s a reason Milford is so popular – the drive to get there is spectacular, and the mountains in Milford Sound are much higher than at Doubtful, making the views more dramatic. We were on the one of the last sailings of the day at Milford, planned that way because we wanted to enjoy the drive up there and because we were staying overnight.

Our first trip to AUS was with our sons in 2005 (they were 13 and 14 at the time). We styed for three weeks. H had been to Sydney for work and took extra time off to do some touring in anticipation that we’d go as a family in the future. We did Sydney, drove up the coast to Cairns and got a guide for two days in Daintree and a trip to a family-run gold mine in the outback. Also snorkeled at the GBR. We then flew to Adalaide and picked up a small group tour (15 people) for two days on Kangaroo Island. I highly recommend KI and doing it with a tour. You can’t bring a rental car from the mainland and rentals are limited on the island. We went to a koala sanctuary, a honey farm, the Remarkable Rocks, hiked, climbed a mountain overlooking the narrowest part of the island, saw lots of wildlife. (Kangaroos are like white-tailed deer on the east coast of the US; ubitquitous and frequently in the road) Our group stayed at a farm, where S2 cooked steaks on the barbie for a group dinner. We didn’t think we’d be able to get him back on a plane to come home. We mollified him by telling him he could consider colleges that offered study abroad opportunities. (He did. And now he’s an expat 5,000 miles away.)

Our first trip to NZ in 2013 – spent nine days in AUS first, doing the Pacific Coast HIghway to the Twelve Apostles, hitting Melbourne and then to KI again (this time, we rented a car, as we knew exactly what we wanted to see the second time around). Then we had nine days in NZ, split between North and South Islands. Second trip to NZ was three weeks, again to both islands, but a different itinerary. LOTS of driving.

@esobay went on a Road Scholar tour to AUS recently. Am tagging her to see if she wants to chime in.

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I guess I’m unusual in having visited Milford Sound but not having taken the road in either direction. I hiked the Milford Track to get there, which is spectacular (and quite easy if you do the guided walk) then flew out of the airport on a small plane to the end of the Hollyford Track. It is really worth trying to do at least one of the great walks if you get the chance. I do agree that Doubtful Sound is worth the visit if you get good weather.

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My former boss’s wife is from NZ and they went back regularly so their kids could see their cousins and spend time in Mom’s home country. Boss took each of his kids on the Routeburn Track for their 13th birthdays. Hiking in to Milford sounds awesome! Would have been a great expedition when my knees were still functional! I’d forgotten that one can fly in there. :slight_smile:

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I did the Milford, Hollyford and Routeburn back to back (I was much younger). Routeburn is the easiest, but Milford is the most spectacular. Hollyford is deserted and incredibly remote, especially out at the beach with the sea lions.

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My D21 is studying in New Zealand right now - she has completely fallen in love with it and is dreading coming home! We were lucky to visit her in April and can see why - not only is the scenery beautiful but the people are the nicest I’ve met anywhere.

I so wanted to do an overnight on Doubtful Sound with Southern Secret but we just could not fit it in but we did get to do Milford Sound which of course was amazing. If you don’t have much time I would focus on the South Island if you want Lord of the Rings type landscapes - the road to Milford Sound, Mt. Cook, Glenorchy all the way to Paradise - several times a day we said we felt like this place was fake and we were in a movie set!

Hobbiton - the Lord of the Rings set you can visit - is on the North Island but since we were not into those movies we didn’t head that way.

I have not been to Australia but D21 went on her spring break and managed to cram a lot into about 9 days - Sydney, Byron Bay & GBR scuba diving.

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Hi CD!
We did NZ with Road scholar a long time ago and part of Australia this year. I’d do NZ > Australia every time. Both RS trips were hiking/active but they have slower ones. The active people call the other ones wine and dine trips. I find their level of education to be just right. I am also annoyed when there is someone on the trip unable to keep up because they are very clear as to how active the trips are expected to be.
I really loved all of NZ, we got a little taste of most bits on the tour and stayed for another week with the kids flying down and hiking with us. We did the Routeborn hike and saw the Lord of the Ring mountains with our own eyes!! It was a high light . We also loved the little town that held the hobbit houses, I forget what it was called, but that was also so fun.
The reason OZ wasn’t as fun is that my DH was sick a great deal of the time and it was HOT and we only lasted half the tour. I hate heat. My best was Kangaroo Island and I’d go back there and spend a week instead of the 2 days we had on the tour.

I agree that it is so nice to go with a tour instead of planning every thing yourself. We have done both and enjoyed both, but now I am older and lazier so just book it and only worry about packing. I hope you get to go and enjoy!

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Last year I went to Australia with three girlfriends. One loves to plan trips so she planned everything. We spent four days in Melbourne, 3 days at the Australian Open and a day tour of the Great Ocean Road including a rain forest and The 12 Apostles. Four days in the Whitsundays (Hamilton Island, Airlie Beach) which is part of the Great Barrier Reef and spectacular. And four days in Sydney. We loved every minute I would go back in a heartbeat and now I really want to go to New Zealand. My cousin and her husband took a tour of Australia and New Zealand. They saw a lot more than I did but also said since it is such a large area, a lot of time was spent on airplanes and buses which was exhausting at times.

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Husband is taking his own sweet time, but it’s starting to look like one of the following two choices. Posting here because I’m bored waiting on him (maybe with the US Open ending he’ll find more time?)

I’m leaning towards Globus because it goes more places in New Zealand, and I’m sure we can manage to come up with ideas on the Independent Australia portion. Sounds like that gives you one tour in each location, books hotels, books intercity transportation, and essentially give you a concierge in each location.

1: It would be these two tours together. https://www.globusjourneys.com/tour/best-of-new-zealand/PN/?season=2024 and https://www.globusjourneys.com/tour/independent-great-barrier-reef-sydney/IPK1/?season=2025

2: (these are the same tour but Smithsonian gives you experts and I think one wine dinner)

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I heard about a couple who had trip arranged by a company (not sure its name). The package included rental car, accomodations along the travel route, map to tie it all together. Sounded interestin.

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I’ve never heard of anyone disappointed in a Smithsonian tour.
We went to NZ in February, but we didn’t do Australia, just 28 days in NZ. We did 14 days on our own, and 14 on a bike trip. The company we used for group trip was Active Adventures. They might be too active for you. I’ve heard of people using Moak, but the one person I know personally isn’t using them until next month, so I can’t give recommendation.

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Those all look amazing! I don’t know how you even decide. I’m too lazy to do independent tours, because I dislike the planning, but I do see the positive of doing a mix. Is there any way you can find reviews on all of these specific tours with each tour company? That always helps me figure out what resonates best.

Just posting this here for those who may be interested -
According to the guides on our NZ bike trip, NZ doesn’t have anything poisonous/life threatening, but in Australia there are lots of things that are. (I’m guessing that’s slight hyperbole, but not too far off).

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We just put down a deposit on the Globus New Zealand tour for February 2026. We’re going to take ourselves to Sydney for a few days afterwards, staying for free at the Hilton with points and planning our own activities. We considered the Globus Great Barrier Reef/Sydney independent extension, but (a) it was considerably more money and (b) we learned that the rainy/stinger reef season would be starting at the times we could go. So alas, gave that idea up. We’ll have seen some fabulous scenery in New Zealand (presumably) and be ready to relax a bit before heading home.

We will have to get our own flights Queenstown-Sydney and Sydney-LAX but that’s not an issue. We’ll be seeing the highlights of Sydney and figure out what else would be unique and not something similar to either San Diego, or Chicago for that matter. Plenty of time to decide!

https://www.globusjourneys.com/tour/best-of-new-zealand/PN/?season=2026

Kind of kidding about similar to San Diego but we do have beaches and surfing, Walkabout Australia at the Safari Park where you can stroll among the kangaroos and wallabies and see the only platypuses outside Australia, and of course the koalas at the zoo. And Chicago - because major metro big city life.

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