<p>MUST DECIDE IN THE NEXT 7 HOURS</p>
<p>What’s easiest to get in to?</p>
<p>I love math, I may or may not go into engineering for grad.
Does Math at the liberal arts college (letters?) have a lot of liberal arts requirements? More than engineering math? How can I find out?</p>
<p>engineering math + stats is in the COE, which is more difficult to get into than L+S</p>
<p>L+S has 7 lower division humanities requirements, COE has a 4 lower div + 2 upper div humanities requirement</p>
<p>I’d go with BA math. But man, a degree in Math from UC Berkeley will make any graduate admissions officer or hiring manager fall of their chair, regardless of whether its a BA or a BS.</p>
<p>your name says 1600. if that is true and your science scores are good, i think it would be wise of you to go towards engineering, where you will have higher math.</p>
<p>“A degree in math from UC Berkeley will make any graduate admissions officer or hiring manager fall of (sic) their chair…”</p>
<p>Oh? Well, let’s look at the data of the BA math graduates from Berkeley from the last 4 years. </p>
<p><a href=“http://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Math.stm[/url]”>http://career.berkeley.edu/Major/Math.stm</a></p>
<p>While I would say that the Berkeley math majors are doing pretty well, I don’t know that I would say that anybody is falling out of their chair to get them. The data indicates that for the last 4 graduating math classes, anywhere from 10-20% have not secured either employment or graduate-school placement upon graduation. That seems to be rather suspiciously high if people are really falling out of their chair to get them. Furthermore, let’s look at some of the math PhD placements of these graduates. While there are indeed some very highly regarded math graduate program placements, there are also some placements into graduate math programs that, let’s just say, aren’t all that prominent. A placement into the graduate math program at San Francisco State University? Another at the University of Nevada-Reno? Another at the University of Colorado? Another at the University of Washington? While I don’t want to unnecessarily cast aspersions on certain programs, I think we can all agree that when you think of highly prominent graduate mathematics programs, those programs aren’t exactly the first ones that come to mind. Hence, that doesn’t exactly support the contention that anybody is falling out of their chair.</p>
<p>Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that the Berkeley math or engineering-math programs are bad. In fact, they’re pretty good. But I’m just saying that we shouldn’t go overboard. Graduating with a degree in math does not automatically guarantee a good job, or placement into an elite graduate program. In fact, by itself, it guarantees nothing.</p>
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<p>Dude. do you know how hard it is to get a job during the internet bust of the early 2000s? Even Harvard MBA’s had like a 80% job placement. In SF, it was a killing.</p>
<p>For that particular economic period, I say it was a pretty damn good showing. Also, they might have been those super smart, head in the cloud weed smoking types who didn’t even look for employment. Also, unless you have personally hired people yourself, you have no idea how much garbage is out there when you see resumes in the mainstream job market.</p>
<p>Uh, no, only in the last year or so, Harvard MBA’s has a low job placement. In normal years, Harvard MBA job placement was above 95%. Look at the data. </p>
<p>Furthermore, how do you account for those Berkeley math graduates who ended up at graduate school at, say, San Francisco State or the University of Nevada-Reno? Do you think those students really wanted to end up at those programs?, or do you think they’d rather be at some other program? Right. That doesn’t exactly jive with the notioni that graduate admissions officers are falling out of their seat to admit such people. So what’s up with that?</p>
<p>Furthermore, thank you very much for your last sentence, because I have indeed personally hired quite a few people, so according to you, I do have all the credibility I need. If you are going to bluff, be prepared to have your bluff called. </p>
<p>So I would ask you again, what happened to those Berkeley math graduates who ended up in grad-school at SF State?</p>
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<p>how would I know? Drugs? Too much partying? Departmental rankings and academic reputation can only help you out so much. And BTW, Harvard MBA has had low placement ever since the dot com bust in 2001. The market for MBA graduates and college graduates has been terrible, until earlier this year. Berkeley math grads, have largely been sheltered from it, considering the true number of unemployed recent graduates.</p>
<p>Oh I see, so you admit that “Departmental rankings and academic reputation can only help you out so much”. Good, glad to see that you’re on record there. Furthermore, you have to also admit that the Berkeley name by itself obviously didn’t cause anybody to fall out of their chair. Other factors clearly came into play, right? </p>
<p>And let’s face it - the unemployment of Harvard MBA’s is paralled by the unemployment of Haas Berkeley MBA’s - whose placement in one year lately dipped to around 65%. Ouch. </p>
<p>I agree with you that everybody has been having difficult in getting jobs lately. But that only goes to show you that the Berkeley name isn’t making anybody ‘fall out of their chair’, right? Come on, don’t be shy, come out and say it.</p>
<p>Sakky, Berkeley Math majors makes the hiring managers in California, professors in mathematics that I have seen recruiting students fall out of their chair. </p>
<p>Math is a very egalitarian subject. Ask any math professor.</p>
<p>So then if people are really falling out of their chair, then why is it that some math graduates end up at such wonderful graduate programs like SF State? Looks like nobody fell out of their chair to admit that person.</p>
<p>^^^Sakky you speak with a penchant for bitterness about your Berkeley experience that implies that you were not happy with your experience there. Did you drop out? If you don’t mind me asking?</p>
<p>Email me, and you will find out everything you will need to know. I don’t check the email address associated with my username here very often, but I do sometimes check it. </p>
<p>I only ask that if and when you do, and I confirm everything that I have said about myself, that you come back here and retract your statements you have made here where you claim to know things about me that you clearly do not know.</p>
<p>dang, wut the heck. You want to be some statistically oriented pessimistic lawyer or something. Jeez, where do I sign, can I just sign my name across this dust on my screen.</p>
<p>wahhhh. your email button doesn’t work.</p>
<p>NOTE: I’M FROM NYC.
My stats are pretty good, I have a chance at MIT/Stanford/Caltech.</p>
<p>Is there something I should know about Berkeley?</p>
<p>If I went there, I believe I’d be one of the better students… the ones that end up at MIT and Princeton, not SF…</p>
<p>What percentage of Berkeley students come from Cali? Will I feel left out? More so than at Stanford/Cal-Tech?</p>
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<p>Well. If you ask people who went to Stanfurd and Berkeley both, they will say that they enjoyed their time at Berkeley better. Its a school that can only be described by visiting it. About 5-10% of the people I met were out of staters, and to this day, even after 5 years after graduation, they are still all in San Francisco working for Accenture, Barclays, Deloitte, JPMorgan, etc… and they turned down offers from similar jobs in the east coast. Not a single one I know has moved back to the east coast. </p>
<p>Yes, you would probably be one of the “better students”, but remember that Berkeley chooses its particular group of students for a reason. And many times, its based on who would most benefit from the “Berkeley experience”.</p>
<p>California1600, my email button works now.</p>
<p>I am not asking you to sign anything, I am going to rely on your honor. You have constantly insinuated that I am this-and-that without knowing any of the facts. Once you know the facts, then I think it is the honorable thing to do to retract all your past claims that are shown to be false. Of course, if I am lying, then there is nothing for you to retract, so there is nothing for you to be afraid of. </p>
<p>Finally, are you seriously trying to insinuate that people at Berkeley enjoy their time better than people at Stanford? Tell that to the guys at Berkeley who flunk out. It is practically impossible to flunk out of Stanford, but as I’m sure you know, it is actually rather easy to flunk out of Berkeley. And even for those people who don’t flunk out, a lot of them are just barely hanging on. You think that any of these people are really enjoying their experience there?</p>
<p>Hahaha, Sakky, give him a break LOL! :)</p>