Barbra Streisand Drops 'F' Bomb at NY Concert

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<p>Yeah…I don’t like that Irish-‘F-word’ generalization either. My entire family (both sides) are from Northern Ireland (Londonderry) and Scotland (Kirkcudbrightshire) and I have to claim that heritage…so I’d liked to think there isn’t some pathological, genetic failure at work when it comes to vocabulary and communication.</p>

<p>Poetsheart - EXACTLY…you said it best. Whether or not Barbra had the right to her opinions, or whether or not the heckler was wrong is not the issue. Hypocrisy in the media, and elsewhere, is the issue.</p>

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<p>FOUL Language!!! The F word…some pretty sensative people here</p>

<p>The fact that we are so uptight about this one word is astounding to me…</p>

<p>guess grownups can’t handle a bit of colorful language</p>

<p>I don’t find that when my H’s friends use that language that one word to say, oh he was an effin dolt, or it was an effin big job, as offensive</p>

<p>Why are we SOOOOOO wound up of this word? Truely amazing to me</p>

<p>They had intercourse in the car, they effed in the car…same thing!!! So is intercourse a bad word</p>

<p>He was an effin amazing athlete, he was an astounding athlete</p>

<p>If we would get over ourselves a bit, past the puritan pretending that this word will lead to the downfall of civilization and look at the bigger picture I think we would all be better off</p>

<p>The N word is used all the time, and depending on who is saying it,it is either an insult or a compliment</p>

<p>The word Facsist is used in all kinds of ways</p>

<p>The word Liberal, well, what can I say, people try and use it as an insult, but to me, well its a compliment</p>

<p>The word damn, well, to some that is profane, to others, not so much</p>

<p>The word ***** is a dog</p>

<p>The word ■■■■■■■■ is a disignation for intelligence</p>

<p>Each word needs to be in a certain context to either be acceptable or not</p>

<p>When my kids were little, we talked about insults, and profanity, and I told them that calling someone a poopoo head was just as bad as using the S=word</p>

<p>I was not generalizing about the Irish, I just happen to know a lot of Irish who let that word slip into coversation and I don’t find it offensive, all depending on the context of the usage, I am just saying that I have heard the word in passionate coversation about politics, religion, relationships, etc., and it isn’t that big of a deal</p>

<p>We are sooooooo weird, that one word like the F word gets people all riled up, if Bush let that word slip out of his mouth in anger, which, I would bet you he has, it is what it is</p>

<p>Guess no one here ever swears in anger and all are as pure as the driven snow, and have never ever sworn, or let something slip in front of their kids, nope not a one of ya</p>

<p>Talk about hypocrciy</p>

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<p>CityGirlsMom, I almost don’t know where to begin. </p>

<p>Your self-righteous accusation of hypocrisy doesn’t fly with me. We are all adults here, and some of us have some standards regarding language. Educated people typically have a large enough vocabulary to allow them to describe situations without using vulgarity, and the class to avoid such language. The fact that you don’t see a problem with this just tells me something about your values. </p>

<p>And that is the problem with vulgar language. I find that when I’m around someone who uses foul language on a regular basis, I assume that he/she is not well educated or refined. You can rail against that, but that is the way many people think.</p>

<p>By the way, not all of us DO swear in anger. I don’t think I’ve ever heard my husband use the sh__ word, for example. He certainly wouldn’t use the F word. Some of us manage to communicate our feelings toward others without yelling, either. I don’t care what words you choose to use to express yourself – but don’t tell me I’m a hypocrite because I don’t choose to use those expressions, and think less of those who do.</p>

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<p>I am just saying that I would bet that most posters here have used vulgar words, at least once, to say, oh no,not me, I have never ever slipped, well, I just don’t believe it</p>

<p>My H does not swear alot, but yes, the F word does slip out, especially after he has been playing soccer</p>

<p>I am not by any means saying people should walk around swearing, but if someone let the word “ain’t” slip, or use who instead of whom, or said me instead of I, or her instead of she, I would not immediately judge them as being uneducated or having no class</p>

<p>I don’t often swear in anger, but I have sworn when driving, I have sworn when I felt I was in danger, ie, get the )(#@ away from me, I have sworn to make a point</p>

<p>Years ago, you couldn’t say breast on TV- that was considered vulgar, it was considered vulgar to do the twist, it was considered vulgar to not wear panty hose (ask my mom), it was considered vulgar to date a person not of your race, so that word vulgar, eh, grain of salt with me</p>

<p>I have class, and I have an education, and I can see past a word or two hear or there to listen to what a person is saying, and to not judge them before getting to know them better</p>

<p>We have people on our streets here in SF that tell anyone on the street wa are all sinners and going to hell, and if we don’t stop fornicating, we will burn forever, all in the name of God…guess he is vulgar too.</p>

<p>And what is vulgarity anyway, really…is it those seven words? Or is it really ideas, and actions…</p>

<p>Even educated classy people can be “vulgar” sometimes, if that is what you want to call it…to me vulgar is leaving your wife who is dying of cancer for a younger woman, to me vulgar is leaving garbage behind after having a picnic, to me vulgar is hitting your dog, to me vulgar is beating someone up because they are gay, to me vulgar is calling names- any names can be hurtful</p>

<p>But the utterance of a few words in coversation, doesn’t bother me so much</p>

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<p>Now if someone was talking racist talk, or sexist, telling hurtful jokes, I would find that vulgar and would call them on it, if they were groping each other in overtly sexual manner I would find that vulgar, if they were yelling at a little kid, I would find that vulgar, but the F word, doens’t get me all wound up, especially in a concert venue to get the attention of a nimrod</p>

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<p>CGM, a couple of thoughts…</p>

<p>One, I am quoting my own earlier post :slight_smile: :</p>

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<p>So, again, using profanity has something to do with context. Saying, “I have a F - - -in’ test tomorrow” to your pal on the phone is not the same as using profanity DIRECTED at another (which was the instance in this thread in the first place…NOT the use of the word itself). When someone tells another person “F - -K YOU!” or calls them “B I - - H”, I see that as VERY offensive. </p>

<p>The other issue is time/place of where one uses profanity and who the audience is. If I use profanity in the privacy of my home, and I admit, I have, that is one thing. If I use it with clients, that’s another. If I use it in public where there are others whom I don’t know present, who may be offended, I should refrain. If I am among some friends who are comfortable with that sort of language, different story. I have taught my kids to not talk like that IN school on in public. Amongst family and friends, and depending on the context, it isn’t always terrible…sometimes it is…depends on how they used the words. But in most other situations, it is not appropriate language because it may offend someone. In fact, one of my kids tends to use the F word and I remind her that she gets too used to using that word among her peer group (teens commonly use: “What the F?” a lot these days) that she could forget to stop herself in public where it is most inappropriate, so to watch out.</p>

<p>Just because you are comfortable with profanity, CGM, doesn’t mean it is in the comfort zone of taste of others. I think it is important to be cognizant of that. Foul language is distasteful to many and I think it is appropriate to be courteous in public situations or amongst others whom you have no idea if the use of such language would offend. I think the rule of thumb is that it would offend many and it doesn’t belong in public venues. If you know your circle of friends are comfortable talking that way, do so amongst them. Do so in the privacy of your home or car too!</p>

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<p>Why is it still so offensive…I am still flabberghasted that a word, this one word, has so much power to offend…it is not a racist word, nor sexist, nor agest, nor referring to one’s IQ, or height</p>

<p>It is a word, and I have to say, to be so easily offened by a four letter word is such a puritan mentality to me</p>

<p>I dislike the C word, but it is a derogatory word to females, the N word, well, we know that one, the B word, eh, the D word, eh…its not that we talk all flowery and such, it is just that I am not so weak as to not brush aside a “profanity” if uttered in my ear shot</p>

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<p>A foul moth is the public expression of a foul heart. </p>

<p>All the more so when speaking in a crowd, especially when said with malice and most especially when you’re getting paid to entertain your nip-tuck crowd (or if you are a parent, re CGM’s expletive-yodeler)…unless you advertise yourself as such, like the Sex Pistols or Carl Hungous or Lenny Bruce.</p>

<p>The heckler is a bore who should have been dispatched by a clever remark from the singer/haranguer followed close upon by the limp-arm of the management …short of that: The Democratic National Committee Choir, who sing here, as well. </p>

<p>For shame…</p>

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<p>The C, B, N, D word offend me just as much as the F word…but Barbara Streisand didn’t utter those words.</p>

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<p>FS…the foul “moth”?? LoL (I know it is just a typo but it is funny)</p>

<p>CGM, my point isn’t puritanical…I actually DO use profanity, I admitted it. But I don’t direct it toward another. And I don’t use it in public around anyone whom I don’t know or who could be offended. I’m VERY aware that MANY people are offended by the use of profanity. There is a time and place.</p>

<p>On stage, if my D used profanity in a script, I have NO problem with it. If she told someone in the audience to “F off”…no way. </p>

<p>I already mentioned in the Streisand incident, that I don’t blame her ONE BIT for her annoyance at the inappropriate behavior of a heckler. Security should have taken the person out. She could have told the person to please be quiet so she could continue the performance. Even she has apologized for using profanity at the person to get her point across. Her point, however, was hugely justified and applauded by those present.</p>

<p>PS, an example of “know thy audience”…my then 17 year old back in June, created a musical cabaret she put on in a city in our state with two other college students. The audience included families. The encore song was “I Wish I Could Go Back to College” (the entire show had a theme and there was a reason for this song to be chosen) from Avenue Q. That song has a verse that goes:
“I wish I could just drop a class…
Or get into a play…
Or change my major…
Or f - - k my T.A.
I need an academic advisor to point the way!”
She opted to change it to: “or DATE my T.A.” because of this particular audience. Had she performed it at college, which is a performing arts program, she’d have left it the way it was written.</p>

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<p>All moths are foul and bothersome; but only some mouths are.</p>

<p>In Islam, as in Judaism, there are dietary restrictions (don’t know if ‘Babs’ is a pork-eater). Here’s an old story, apropos the current condition of the much beloved agitator:</p>

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*There was once a man who would cavalierly ignore such well regarded dietary restrictions as were common to his religion. He was what was then called a ‘rend’ and ‘malamati;’ that is a ‘wise-fool’ coupled with an ambition to bring shame on his person in order to kill his ‘nafs’ or ego while on this earth. </p>

<p>Well, word got around, people talked, the phonies were offended and the fool was brought before a magistrate where he was harangued and condemned to the point that the prosecutor was cursing and foaming at the mouth calling for his death. </p>

<p>Finally, having allowed the self-righteous prosecutor to wear himself out, the fool turned to the judge and said calmly, “perhaps our Lord is more offended by what comes out of the prosecutors mouth than what has gone into mine.”</p>

<p>That day, he walked away a blameless and free fool, closer to his lord.* </p>

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The prosecutor reminds me of the woman with the microphone. Her defenders, the phonies.</p>

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<p>I agree with the earlier posters who indicated that the more interesting and significant issue is the fact that the media…anyone in the media (and the host of the Today show certainly has a voice in our media!)is so willing to defend Barbara’s actions to silence this one lone voice. Yet the mainstream media have ignored the events at Columbia or have (which is worse) defended the ill-considered actions of the students who stormed the stage and totally prevented an invited speaker from making their presentation…</p>

<p>I do not care about Barbra S.'s use of “foul” language any more than I do her political views. Probably because I do not think enough of her to pay the cost of admission…particularly now that I know I should expect to have to listen to her talk about these things…</p>

<p>I have MUCH better things to do with my time and money!</p>

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<p>Not all moths are foul and bothersome - the silkworm produces silk; the mopane worm of Africa is a food source for people.</p>

<p>Foul mouths are troublesome, though. Fowl mouths may be found at KFC.</p>

<p>:D</p>

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<p>Regardless of the correct spelling of Barbra or evidence of her own moronic illiteracy, her initials speak volumes: </p>

<p>B.S. </p>

<p>PS She is just peeved that the Lincoln Bedroom Inn has been closed, even to moneyed loonies like her.</p>

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<p>The undressed is vulgar - the nude is pure”
Robert Green Ingersoll</p>

<p>There are no people who are quite so vulgar as the over-refined.
Author: Mark Twain</p>

<p>The higher a man stands, the more the word ‘‘vulgar’’ becomes unintelligible to him.</p>

<p>John Ruskin</p>

<p>It is a good thing we have smelly salts around lest some poor souls collapse from hearng the F word, guess the Sc word would only cause some dizzyness</p>

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<p>Citygirlsmom, what is your problem? You continue to insult those who dislike the F word. How does that affect you? If you like, use it. But when you say things like “It is a good thing we have smelly salts around lest some poor souls collapse from hearng the F word, guess the Sc word would only cause some dizzyness” it just comes across as antagonistic. </p>

<p>The ability and willingness to use foul, vulgar language does not make you superior.</p>

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<p>“Liberals” (and cgm is a “proud” one) are very <em>tolerant</em> of differences of opinion, don’t cha’ know!</p>

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<p>Now, let me get this straight CGM—If GWB or Toby Keith told an audience member to “shut the F-up”, you wouldn’t have any problem with that…</p>

<p>Riiiiiight…!</p>

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<p>The thing that I find extraordinarily amusing is the caustic “wit” being directed at a liberal by the very people who complain that liberals are “just so rude and illogical!”</p>

<p>Xiggi - you can have Barbra or Rush in the Lincoln bedroom. What’s the difference?</p>

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<p>it is a word…the big ole scary F word, and people here judge those that use it…that is my problem</p>

<p>read up the word, I did, no one really knows why it is so offensive, it is just a gut reaction to it</p>

<p>please explain to me how the word is “vulgar”= I know what the most common definition means- what how about sexual intercourse, doin’ it, hitting a home run, getting lucky, hooking up, fornication- they are mean the same thing, yet somehow THIS word is vulgar</p>

<p>the C word is not just about anatomy, its about the whole woman, so I do see the difference</p>

<p>anyone here ever say booger, butt, screwed around, anything like that, to many, those are vulgar…</p>

<p>just don’t get it</p>