barnard?

[Columbia2002]

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My point? There are different standards for CC and Barnard. i.e. In terms of admissions, I just happened to fit better at CC.

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<p>Or, it could be simple yield-protection. Barnard could have found you overqualified and less likely to come.</p>

[calmom]

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Interesting, sounded like cc students are firm believers of “together but unequal”.

Goldie, I think that some CC students just are in serious denial.</p>

[acinva]

<p>"Interesting, sounded like cc students are firm believers of “together but unequal”. </p>

<p>I don’t get this statement. What and whose post is it in reference to?</p>

[goldie]

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@acinva

"Interesting, sounded like cc students are firm believers of “together but unequal”. </p>

<p>I don’t get this statement. What and whose post is it in reference to?

</p>

<p>Yours actually:</p>

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@acinva

but in reality, the sentiment of “Columbia University” is that they resent Barnard’s intrusion on their campus when Barnard has one of their own. You can quote the by-laws and talk about tenure, but you are <em>never</em> going to convince a “Columbia University” student that Barnard is Columbia.

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<p>ie Barnard gals may have the right to take the same classes, may share facilities, may get a piece of paper upon graduation issued by Columbia University, BUT all those won’t matter to cc kids.</p>

<p>I used an online translator and made a joke motto: una tamen iniquus to replace the current: In lumine tuo videbimus lumen</p>

[Columbia2002]

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may get a piece of paper upon graduation issued by Columbia University

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<p>Yet their transcripts are issued by the office of the registrar of Barnard College, not the Columbia registrar.</p>

[goldie]

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@columbia2002

@goldie

may get a piece of paper upon graduation issued by Columbia University

Yet their transcripts are issued by the office of the registrar of Barnard College, not the Columbia registrar.

Good point, so it should read: “may get a piece of paper with Culumbia University name on it upon graduation”.</p>

[acinva]

<p>The following is on the Columbia website. As you can see, only CC, SEAS and General Studies are listed as undergraduate schools of Columbia. </p>

<p>UNDERGRADUATE SCHOOLS
Columbia College
Engineering and Applied Science
General Studies
· Postbaccalaureate Premedical Program</p>

<p>AFFILIATED SCHOOLS
Barnard College
Jewish Theological Seminary
Teachers College
Union Theological Seminary</p>

[calmom]

<p>Please see my post #182 for the definition of “affiliated”.</p>

[goldie]

<p>calmom, it doesn’t matter to the cc boys and their parents. It souded like in their mind Barnard simply isn’t part of the CU family. remember my <joke> motto for cu?</joke></p>

<p>Una tamen iniquus.</p>

<p>aka together but unequal</p>

<p>lol</p>

[CC_Admin]

<p>Man. This stuff is so important. I’ve gotta remember to make things like the affiliation between Barnard and Columbia the number one priority in my life.</p>

[goldie]

<p>This stuff isn’t important at all. Most cc kids adopt the new cu motto during orientation, the rest is just automatic. If you have problem in believing in the concept, columbia2002 or shraf will be happy to help.</p>

[collegeisfun]

<p>Notice though goldie that are the only two are happy to help so is the motto really on the campus or just on this somewhat ridiculous thread?</p>

[CC_Admin]

<p>Goldie: I never imagine myself going out of my way to actually care about this (motto or not).</p>

[acinva]

<p>Calmom, it seems that in post 182 you were attempting to compare General Studies as having the same “affiliation”/relationship as Barnard, when in fact, General Studies is actually an undergraduate school of Columbia University whereas Barnard is not.</p>

[Shraf]

<p>just let calmom and goldie think what they want and tell their friends that they / their offspring go to columbia rather than barnard. They are just unintentionally proving the point that barnard girls feel inferior and SOME find it necissary to validate themselves by saying they go to columbia. A response that shows that you are proud that you go to barnard is not the one presented on this board…rather than trying to prove through silly interpretations of affiliations that barnard is part of columbia you should just simply say “it doesnt matter whether or not barnard is part of columbia, its a great school and i love being there”…this sentiment has not been presented in this argument at all. I find that, coupled with the attitueds of calmom and goldie to be the most telling characteristics that answer the original poster’s question…I, along with the vast majority of CC and SEAS students could care less about barnard or its existence…Columbia2002 and I were just trying to present a sentiment which exists (that baranrd girls try to misrepresent themselves) but one which is not given much importance…the defensive nature of calmom and goldie’s posts have just proven our points again and again…i am especially amused by calmom who is making believe she is proving a legal case or something…prefroshs on this board dont really care how someone sitting at their computer and looking stuff up is interpreting what they find…they can look up the same exact things…what they care about is the first hand experience and sentiments that exist on campus which only current and former students can attest to. Its one thing to give your daughter’s opinion on the subject as just another opinion but to suggest that you and your daughters’ opinions trump the observations of at least 4 columbia students who said otherwise is just absurd. I hope you can come to terms with the way things really are…and if not you are more than welcome to believe what u want though it would be nice if you didnt blindly attack individuals who actually attend the school when they give their opinions and share their first hand observations.</p>

[sammiee38]

<p>Hi, I’m going to be at Barnard next year and was a little apprehensive about tension between the two schools so I wanted to see what Columbia students had to say about Barnard. I just wanted to say that I’m sure there are definitely Barnard girls who take advantage of the affiliation between Barnard and Columbia and tell people that going to Barnard is the same as going to Columbia (and it’s totally understandable for Columbia students to be ****ed off), but there are also students (like me) who like Barnard’s small campus, personal classes, etc. I don’t think that all Barnard girls feel inferior and I’m sure there are many who are proud to be Barnard girls. =] I also wanted to tell Columbia students that I definitely don’t plan on misrepresenting myself to get a job unfairly. =P</p>

[goldie]

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@shraf

just let calmom and goldie think what they want and tell their friends that they / their offspring go to columbia rather than barnard.

</p>

<p>My offspring? Now that will be a long wait. </p>

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…rather than trying to prove through silly interpretations of affiliations that barnard is part of columbia

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<p>and of course, staten Island isn’t part of New York city.</p>

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@shraf

you should just simply say “it doesnt matter whether or not barnard is part of columbia, its a great school and i love being there”

I really can’t make that statement, unless Barnard start accepting boys, :)</p>

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@shraf

…this sentiment has not been presented in this argument at all. I find that, coupled with the attitueds of calmom and goldie to be the most telling characteristics that answer the original poster’s question…I, along with the vast majority of CC and SEAS students could care less about barnard or its existence…Columbia2002 and I were just trying to present a sentiment which exists (that baranrd girls try to misrepresent themselves)

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<p>I got your point. To cc boys, Barnard girls will never be accepted as part of CU family, no matter what the deg/affiliation etc.</p>

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@shraf

I hope you can come to terms with the way things really are…

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<p>I have, it is together but not equal.</p>

[suburbamania]

<p>“To cc boys, Barnard girls will never be accepted as part of CU family, no matter what the deg/affiliation etc.”</p>

<p>Let’s not get sentimental here. There is a University, of which Barnard girls can choose to attend class. They were accepted into Barnard College. CC boys do not have anything against barnard girls specifically, nor do CC girls, or SEAS students; the particular resentment only comes from when Barnard girls do not understand that they cannot misrepresent themselves as “Columbia students” for their own purposes (whether it be to impress others or impress employers.)</p>

[goldie]

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@suburbamania

the particular resentment only comes from when Barnard girls do not understand that they cannot misrepresent themselves as “Columbia students” for their own purposes (whether it be to impress others or impress employers.)

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<p>Although they have a deg from Columbia University? So I should understand that cc kids with a deg from Columbia University are Columbia grads, Barnard kids with a deg from Columbia University are NOT Columbia grads and " cannot misrepresent themselves as “Columbia students” for their own purposes (whether it be to impress others or impress employers."</p>

[Columbia2002]

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Although they have a deg from Columbia University?

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<p>First, if they’re students, I guess they don’t have a degree from Columbia, do they?</p>

<p>Second, this may be hard for you to grasp, given that you can’t comprehend the meaning of “affiliate” and/or “affiliated,” but getting “a degree issued by Columbia University” does make you ipso facto a “Columbia graduate” or a “graduate of Columbia University.”</p>

<p>Third, assuming, for argument’s sake, that “degree issued by Columbia University” does indeed make one a “Columbia graduate,” that would absolutely not change the fact that Barnard is NOT an undergraduate college of Columbia University. I’m not sure how you can argue with the websites of Barnard and Columbia, each of which clearly state this fact.</p>