Becoming an in-law

My mother had a terrible relationship with her mother-in-law, and she was certain she was going to do everything differently when I got married. She did everything differently and still managed to have a pretty bad relationship with her daughter-in-law for most of the rest of her life. It was sad. Neither woman really appreciated how much they had in common (unfortunately, that included a strong sense of always being right), and they constantly rubbed each other the wrong way. My wife felt by turns excluded from my birth family (my sisters never married or even had long term relationships, so my wife was the only outsider) and smothered by it. My mother could be very demanding, in contrast to her own mother who was at times almost ego-less.

There was definitely competition between the mothers, which didn’t help. My mother was threatened by the fact that all my children’s first cousins were on my wife’s side, and her mother had a vacation home large enough to hold everyone. Her mother was threatened by my mother’s big personality and much greater resources, and by her large, snobby, and demanding extended family.

So now we have a son-in-law and daughter-in-law, and we’re determined not to repeat the mistakes of the past and . . . we’ll see how that goes.

Things are relatively easy with our son-in-law. We sense he doesn’t particularly like us, but his social skills are so good, and his sense of fairness so acute, that his personal opinion hardly matters. He’s always gracious and enthusiastic with us, and he’s willing to give us an appropriate amount of time. Plus he loves our daughter (we have that in common!) and they are great together. We try to be gracious and enthusiastic back, with him and with his parents and siblings. We hope to have a deeper relationship over time, but things are fine for now.

With our daughter-in-law, there are more shoals. In theory, we’ve known her much longer than our son-in-law, but we have spent far less time with her. For most of our son’s and her involvement pre-marriage, they lived in different (though close) cities, and she was in medical school. Her time off was largely devoted to her own large, active extended family, and she had basically promised her parents (who were not so happy about her relationship with my son) not to travel with him. So we hardly ever saw her. If we were visiting him, she didn’t come see him that weekend. When he visited us, he came alone. We heard a lot about her from him, but we didn’t actually have a personal relationship with her.

She comes from a filial-duty culture, and she’s very close to her own parents. She wants to be close to us – and we to her – but it’s clear that just being in the appropriate relationship and having good will isn’t the same as real closeness. We said something around the time of their wedding, and both we and she are trying hard to create appropriate opportunities simply to spend time together and to get to know one another some. It’s a long process.

Of course, children (none yet, but that will change) and the vicissitudes of life are likely to throw a wrench into these processes.

“Ego-less.” That’s one key. But able to speak up comfortably when needed.

We got around the sharing easily. The first holiday away, she gave me about 6 weeks notice they’d go for Tday and be here for Xmas. We’re flexible about Tday, anyway, just did it the weekend before.

Closeness is something you work on. Sometimes, that means not questioning it.

I never thought I’d be that mother-in-law but I am. Understand that only applies for one of my sons-in-law.
So … I’ve learned that it also depends on the son-in-law in question. Unlike @JHS’s son-in-law our’s is not known for his social skills. He took the time to make it clear that he wasn’t a fan of our family - not just me - shortly after the engagement. It was a surprise because we all had gone out of our way to be welcoming. Now I give him no room for complaint basically by staying away (as do my daughter’s siblings) and being polite when together. Anyone watching would probably assume we’re strangers. Sad.

My other son-in-law thinks I’m great as far as I know. He certainly acts like it, in any case. Anyway, I go out of my way to be supportive and let him know I think the world of him. And he does the same to me. The relationship can not only be an easy one but fun. I’ve no tips on how to accomplish it though. It can depend on the son-in-law or daughter-in-law as much as you.

@JHS, ok I am sorry, but how could your SIL “doesn’t particularly like us?” I don’t know you IRL, but based on what you have posted on CC and how much support you have given to your kids that your daughter’s H could not like/love you. I would hope if they love your kids that they would try to appreciate you guys too.

I have a good relationship with my mil. I’m a good dil and we talk often. My one fault with her is that I think she should talk to her son more, nope she usually calls me when she knows he’s not around. I don’t think it’s a problem.

But my relationship with my dil is more complicated. She’s a very nice person, she’s not the most outgoing person but that’s ok. We are pretty different. She and my son have this little island they are on and kinda exclude everyone, they are very much into each other. It’s who they are.

We aren’t close, I’m pretty we will never be. We don’t have a relationship with her parents. My dil is an only child and her dad has early onset demensia, so I’m pretty sure we will never have an opportunity to be together with them. I certainly understand that, it’s a tough situation

I don’t think it has anything to do with me, why would it? Honestly, I get along with every one of my relatives. My dil is not an easy person to know.

She didn’t include any of us (me or my D) in any of the wedding planning. She didn’t even invite my D to pick out bridesmaids dresses or invite us to the bridesmaids luncheon before the wedding (it was the other bridesmaids and her parents).

I’m very nice and welcoming when we see them. I try to be respectful.

D1 is living her with her BF and D2 is getting married in Oct. I like both of their SO. I get along well with them. I am not terribly invasive. My D future MIL is nice and she likes her a lot. My other D likes her boyfriend mother as well . We seem to get along well with them. One thing I don’t like is D1 BF parents keep trying them to get to move to where they live which is much further from us Ultimately they will do what they want and I don’t offer an opinion. Especially when its not asked for. I feel anxious about the changes in the dynamic as I am not close with my family and H 's family is starting to want to spend holidays with their children and their SO. So its all changing. If we are alone on the holidays then perhaps we will travel. I love the idea of a vacation together.

So DS#1 and family are vacationing with DIL’s family for a week (they leave today). In contrast we typically get a long weekend (eg just had a 3 day weekend trip with them). Similarly, when we visit them we typically do a long weekend. Longest was 5 days at Thanksgiving. I would love a week holiday with them (they seem to do this yearly with her family, who also happen to live near them whereas we are thousands of mines away). I wish we had longer visits with them, but I’ll take what I can get.

Some of it seems like a crap shoot. My parents get along great with DH, not so much with my sister’s husband. They just never “clicked.” I think he’s a great guy, but he struggles to keep a job due to his slow-moving nature, and that annoys my dad, I think. :frowning: It’s got to be hard on my sister, because as wonderful as they usually are, my folks haven’t been able to hide their feelings.

I like your thread title because I do think there is a change in relationship expectations once the couple marries or is living together. I am currently struggling to define the “dating for a long time but no public LT commitments made yet” stage. It would actually be easier for me if they had moved to the next stage. I’m reading this thread in the hopes of setting the stage for a smooth transition but am not sure that I am accomplishing that. Great tips here!

What works for me as a MIL…immense self-control, if you have nothing positive to say don’t say it. Find something complimentary to say at all times(even if you don’t mean it).

I don’t expect my relationship to change if my son marries his long term (5+ years) girlfriend. We got to know her parents this fall when we were in Hong Kong - several days worth of hiking and sightseeing with them, so that felt like we were on to the next level. BTW we liked them very much and it was fun to get to know things about their daughter’s childhood. No dark secrets, but interesting insights. Made me feel they were even better matched than I already knew.

FDIL and her parents invited us to travel with them to their country right after the upcoming wedding. We did not accept their kind offer and politely made an excuse. (Need to get back to work after a week off for the wedding - but this is partly true.)

I think the “norm” in their culture is that parents on both sides should meet shortly before (or after) the time they engage. It is at such a meeting when both sides discuss the wedding/marriage arrangement together. The order is completely reversed in our case: wedding first, and then try to know each other. This makes me uncomfortable: Will FDIL & her family be upset about this? If you were parents of our FDIL, will you be either disappointed or even unhappy about this?

I read this thread with a great interest because of its relevance to us. Thanks for sharing your experience.

@mcat2 - its water under the bridge. You already declined their kind invitation. What her parents think about your decision is a bit off topic here. But since you are not going, I wouldn’t ask your future DIL what she thinks about your declining the invitation. Let it go.

I had lunch today with a delightful young lady who married less than a year ago. I asked her what makes a good MIL. Didn’t hear anything new/different from what has been discussed here. Generally, a kind and supportive in-law is a goal to strive for. How close anyone is with their in-laws will depend on each individuals’ personalities.

@jym626, This is a good advice.Thanks!

I tend to “light up” when I really like someone, in contrast to when I’m just being politely friendly.

It’s got to be so tough when ILs click with some and not with others.

Oh, I thought of one more tip, because I had to apply it to myself this afternoon: When/if your child calls to complain or vent about something their spouse did, do NOT take their side. Just listen and commiserate, and maybe share a similar story from your own marriage. But your goal should be not to bolster your child in thinking that he/she is right, rather, it should be to push the couple towards each other in finding a resolution (if required) or new insights into each other.

For example, today my daughter, who is 25 weeks pregnant, called to vent about the fact that after she spent all day cleaning the apartment in preparation for a house guest, her H noticed that the baseboards were a bit dusty and asked why she was just sitting down and reading, when he was out there with the dusting rags. And he then freaked out that all the drawers in the guest room were full and where would they put the stuff so that their guest, who was staying ONE NIGHT, would have a place to put his stuff?

D related this in a comical way, involving some judicious bad language, so I laughed and told her about a time when her father, the morning of a huge dinner party, decided that the entire barn could not go another day without being cleaned, and that there were also multiple financial transactions that had to happen IMMEDIATELY or the earth would stop turning.

Now of course I thought that her H, like mine, was being a total twit, but what I hope I conveyed is that in any marriage, partners will disagree on what is urgent and that you have to find the humor in these moments.

I agree that without a home phone it is easy to just speak to your child and not talk to the DIL or SIL as much. I have one of each, but I believe both my husband and I are closer to our SIL. Like someone above, we joke that our SIL is our favorite (and only) SIL, but I also tell him I love him more that I love my daughter! He is a saint to put up with her, and before I get criticized, I love my daughter, and she know it; she is just so headstrong and takes some getting use to. I do email and text both my SIL and DIL, but I am not sure I have every called them individually. My daughter will call and they both with chat with us on speaker phone somewhat regularly. My son only does so occasionally when they are in the car on the way somewhere; this is no more that a 3 minute call.

I think my DIL likes my husband and I, but it is apparent her parents and sisters come first. While she is a brilliant woman, her common sense is lacking at times, and I have learned to not take it personally. If you knew my mother, you would say the apple fell miles away from the tree! As an example, when we went to visit for the baby shower, my DIL and sister decided to go get their nails done. This was after her mother had already left and I was still there. There was no thought to ask if I would like to go, or to say, sister and I want to have some private time, hope you don’t mind. If I was my mother, I would have been livid, but I chalked it up to her not really knowing that was something she should do. I was left with my son, which was fine, but it would have been nice to have been extending an invite. Again, I truly do not believe she did this to exclude me.

In both my husband’s and my family, when a member gets married, the parents of the DIL or SIL become family. I tried to include my children’s in laws where I can, even though they live in a different state, and one a different country. Even if it is a holiday card, or sending a picture of the grandbaby while she was visiting us for a holiday, I believe that helps us stay connected. Neither my SIL or DIL parents are people I would necessarily select as friends if we were living in the same city, but I hope we are more that cordial to the parents. I hope that being friendly with SIL and DIL parents helps with my relationship with their children. My mother always has said not nice things about my MIL. Since we have always lived in the same city as our entire families, at times this made it hard for me. My husband and I have been married 38 years and my mother still talks about something my MIL said and did during our wedding weekend that no one else remembers!

I have a DIL of now 7 years and a SIL of two years. My D married me. SIL and I are very much alike and so I have to be super careful to step back with any opinion or direction. We get along well–he called me today from his car phone to share a difficult situation. With him I am careful to show respect and deserved admiration–he cooks and cleans and works and is the primary caregiver. Advice even as to a cooking method is given with thought.

With my DIL who came into our lives pg at 20…it took thought to forge our wonderful relationship. I grew to simply love her to pieces. (very fortunate that D is not jealous at all). With DIL I figured out where I could fit in her life as she is super close to her family who is more local. My niche is shopping, food, pedicures and mainly just treating her as a
special person. I do think that S has appreciated this. We have gone now twice on a 5 day and 7 day trip and paid for all. It is something they cannot yet afford as she is in medical school and something her family does not do. The bridges it has built has been priceless.

NEVER become possessive of the holidays! Your kids will do what they need to do and will appreciate not feeling torn or pressured.

I make an effort with each S, D, SIL, DIL to verbalize “you are the best parents. What an amazing job you are doing”. I do not think that anyone but me says that out loud to them.

My mother was insanely competitive to the point that I never told her a thing as to gifts or compliments from my in-laws. D’s in-laws are spending most of this year living with them to take care of their baby. Good for them. No matter what I think of that situation or how I would have felt, I say nothing but good stuff.

The interesting thing is that they are adults and get to live their own lives now. It is sweet and challenging at the same time.

My MIL was welcoming, loving and gracious, even to this non-Catholic, non-French-Canadian, LOL. My mother and dad were non-interfering, loving and generous and modeled that for me. My sons are all well long grown up now and living their own lives and I do not interfere. I have three very different daughters in law and I love each of them. I do single each one out for attention, conversation, etc. That said, I do “hit it off” with one in particular. It is what it is. And, we all get along well, they all get along well. We are very fortunate.

My in-laws never come to any school events, they have never attended one football game or one choir concert. My dad, on the other hand, is 91 and he drives across town (yikes) and has come to football games and concerts and birthday parties etc. My husband’s parents are sweet people but they are of a mind that when we visit they want my husband to work the whole time…butchering pigs, fixing fences, etc. (last Easter we drove up to a huge pig hanging from a tree and since I am a city girl I left to go to the outlet mall lest I be asked to do something) He always liked going to my parents’ house because they would make dinner and visit and want to know how we were doing.

My son just got engaged. I want to watch the kids when they need some time for themselves. I want to blow bubbles and sing songs. I cannot wait to just take a bunch of photos and give my son a break from the stresses of parenthood. I am laid back so I am not picky about the wedding. I am not crafty but I take orders well so I told her to just tell me what to do for the wedding. I would never just show up at their house. I think good in-laws care a lot but respect their right to privacy. And I will never volunteer opinions about religion, child-rearing or anything else unless they ask.